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Standard User Youngy
(member) Fri 27-Jun-25 18:05:08
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1.6GB rollout?


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I'm currently on the 900MB FTTP full fibre product with EE, apparently they don't offer 1.6GB in this area. Is the 1.6GB some additional technology? Are there rollout plans published we can check?
Standard User Jack_Hackett
(knowledge is power) Fri 27-Jun-25 18:26:29
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This is not a wind up I am genuinely interested.

I have a 150Mbps connection and we have never found it lacking even when we are all online at the same time, could I ask what you cannot do on 900Mbps that would make you want 1600 Mbps

Edited by Jack_Hackett (Fri 27-Jun-25 18:31:08)

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 27-Jun-25 19:12:08
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Is the 1.6GB some additional technology? Are there rollout plans published we can check?

EE use Openreach exclusively. It may be that in your area Openreach haven't upgraded the head-end exchange (other end of the fibres) or they feel usage is high enough on the 1 Gig service (900 usable) that offering faster speeds on the current infrastructure would be worse.

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Standard User Taras
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 27-Jun-25 19:34:51
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quite, and if you really want higher speeds from OR then simply wait for 2026......
Standard User XGS_Is_On
(experienced) Fri 27-Jun-25 19:43:25
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In reply to a post by Jack_Hackett:
This is not a wind up I am genuinely interested.

I have a 150Mbps connection and we have never found it lacking even when we are all online at the same time, could I ask what you cannot do on 900Mbps that would make you want 1600 Mbps


May I suggest reading some of the many posts and threads written over the past quarter century on here, albeit with different numbers, on this site?
Standard User Jack_Hackett
(knowledge is power) Fri 27-Jun-25 21:01:35
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In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:
In reply to a post by Jack_Hackett:
This is not a wind up I am genuinely interested.

I have a 150Mbps connection and we have never found it lacking even when we are all online at the same time, could I ask what you cannot do on 900Mbps that would make you want 1600 Mbps


May I suggest reading some of the many posts and threads written over the past quarter century on here, albeit with different numbers, on this site?


I wasn't aware FTTP 1600Mbps broadband had been around for the past quarter century can you give me some links to the threads you refer to?
Standard User PCJM40
(experienced) Fri 27-Jun-25 21:24:29
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Jack its never dull when you're around.
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I wasn't aware FTTP 1600Mbps broadband had been around for the past quarter century can you give me some links to the threads you refer to?
The clue was in the bit where he said
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albeit with different numbers
Standard User rippedcotton
(experienced) Fri 27-Jun-25 21:34:04
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Jack its never dull when you're around.
In reply to a post by Jack_Hackett:
I wasn't aware FTTP 1600Mbps broadband had been around for the past quarter century can you give me some links to the threads you refer to?
The clue was in the bit where he said
In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:
albeit with different numbers


<chortle>

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Standard User Youngy
(member) Sat 28-Jun-25 09:52:34
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what's happening in 2026?
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 28-Jun-25 11:02:16
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could I ask what you cannot do on 900Mbps that would make you want 1600 Mbps

My first home domestic broadband was before the year 2000, and was 512kbps download speed (0.5 Mbps). Almost everyone I knew was using upto 56k dialup that they had to reconnect every 2 hours. This question has been repeated ever since.

25 years of broadband connectivity since Sep 1999 trial - Live BQM

Edited by jchamier (Sat 28-Jun-25 11:02:33)

Standard User Pheasant
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 28-Jun-25 11:06:23
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I'm currently on the 900MB FTTP full fibre product with EE, apparently they don't offer 1.6GB in this area. Is the 1.6GB some additional technology? Are there rollout plans published we can check?

It's not really a "technology" question per se.

More a case of what handover exchanges have the requisite BT backhaul network connectivity in place. Most of the larger metro sites do but not *all* of the 955 or so such sites do. Some handover exchange sites may also require headend ONT upgrades, but that's less and less of an issue.

If you have an existing 1 GBps capable Openreach ONT it will require an Openreach appointment to swap to a 2.5 Gbps ONT - still basically GPON though - and will either be a Nokia or Adtran unit in all likelihood.
Standard User PCJM40
(experienced) Sat 28-Jun-25 11:21:16
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Interesting to see the new ONT options in the latest update of the SIN 506B document.
Standard User XGS_Is_On
(experienced) Sun 29-Jun-25 12:57:42
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In reply to a post by Jack_Hackett:
could I ask what you cannot do on 900Mbps that would make you want 1600 Mbps

My first home domestic broadband was before the year 2000, and was 512kbps download speed (0.5 Mbps). Almost everyone I knew was using upto 56k dialup that they had to reconnect every 2 hours. This question has been repeated ever since.


Avenue Q always gives the correct answer.
Standard User XGS_Is_On
(experienced) Sun 29-Jun-25 13:01:10
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Interesting to see the new ONT options in the latest update of the SIN 506B document.


They paid Huawei a while back for profiles to use any ONT with those OLTs. Presumably they're keeping the Adtran and Nokia matched on ONT/OLT for GPON and definitely on XGSPON.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 29-Jun-25 13:05:16
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Avenue Q always gives the correct answer.

The internet is for.... 🤣🤣

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Standard User Taras
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 29-Jun-25 15:01:53
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In reply to a post by PCJM40:
Interesting to see the new ONT options in the latest update of the SIN 506B document.


They paid Huawei a while back for profiles to use any ONT with those OLTs. Presumably they're keeping the Adtran and Nokia matched on ONT/OLT for GPON and definitely on XGSPON.


i suspect both Nokia and Adtran combo pon kit to work slightly differently plus it prevents weird gremlins to surface
Standard User Taras
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 30-Jun-25 10:33:09
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what's happening in 2026?


Openreach will be publicly trialling xgs-pon (10gbits/s pon up/down). As they have already released speeds for the new service, I would expect it will be a short trial to eak out isp and on field issues ..
Standard User Taras
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 30-Jun-25 10:35:05
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In reply to a post by Youngy:
I'm currently on the 900MB FTTP full fibre product with EE, apparently they don't offer 1.6GB in this area. Is the 1.6GB some additional technology? Are there rollout plans published we can check?

It's not really a "technology" question per se.

More a case of what handover exchanges have the requisite BT backhaul network connectivity in place. Most of the larger metro sites do but not *all* of the 955 or so such sites do. Some handover exchange sites may also require headend ONT upgrades, but that's less and less of an issue.

If you have an existing 1 GBps capable Openreach ONT it will require an Openreach appointment to swap to a 2.5 Gbps ONT - still basically GPON though - and will either be a Nokia or Adtran unit in all likelihood.


Most will now be upgraded ready for xgspon anyway.
Standard User candlerb
(knowledge is power) Mon 30-Jun-25 14:05:57
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In reply to a post by Youngy:
what's happening in 2026?


Openreach will be publicly trialling xgs-pon (10gbits/s pon up/down).

But possibly only in areas where they are doing government-funded rollouts (BDUK type C). It's very unclear at this stage when it might be available to the masses.

You should also note that the announced pricing for 1G/1G is very high - wholesale £100+VAT per month. If you want anything faster than that, be prepared to pay similar to leased-line prices.

To align with this. the pricing for 1000/220 has just been reduced from £97.78 to £75+VAT at wholesale. The 500/165 tier remains at £68.76+VAT - see price list.

In reality, you're going to be unable to find any retail ISP who sells any of these tiers, since the pricing is so unattractive. Even BT themselves don't.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 30-Jun-25 22:42:23
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In reality, you're going to be unable to find any retail ISP who sells any of these tiers, since the pricing is so unattractive. Even BT themselves don't.

You may have hit on the reason big ISP Sky Broadband has started to use non openreach networks.

25 years of broadband connectivity since Sep 1999 trial - Live BQM
Standard User rippedcotton
(experienced) Tue 01-Jul-25 11:12:58
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In reply to a post by candlerb:
In reality, you're going to be unable to find any retail ISP who sells any of these tiers, since the pricing is so unattractive. Even BT themselves don't.

You may have hit on the reason big ISP Sky Broadband has started to use non openreach networks.


Capitalism in action, if one supplier is too expensive they either drop their prices or get replaced.

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Standard User XGS_Is_On
(experienced) Wed 02-Jul-25 14:36:39
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But possibly only in areas where they are doing government-funded rollouts (BDUK type C). It's very unclear at this stage when it might be available to the masses.

You should also note that the announced pricing for 1G/1G is very high - wholesale £100+VAT per month. If you want anything faster than that, be prepared to pay similar to leased-line prices.


The rollouts done so far in those BDUK areas are GPON and that product is sold over GPON. This isn't related to any XGSPON build or upgrade and they aren't getting first dibs on it. XGSPON and combo kit has been going in for a while now nationwide and is only waiting on cut over where it's being delivered over new OLTs due to current one being Huawei/ECI/older Adtran alongside where new line cards are necessary in Nokia kit or in some cases transceiver swap as the ports are already good to go.

Edited by XGS_Is_On (Wed 02-Jul-25 14:38:51)

Standard User candlerb
(knowledge is power) Wed 02-Jul-25 22:34:33
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You may have hit on the reason big ISP Sky Broadband has started to use non openreach networks.

That's simply because Openreach network pricing is regulated, which altnets can undercut - by cherry-picking the areas they build in.

Only a tiny proportion of Sky's customers care about upload speeds. Almost all of them care about cost.

Of course, if Sky aren't passing on the cost savings (by pricing OR and Cityfibre connections differently) then it just means they pocket the difference.
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 03-Jul-25 10:18:23
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It seems Sky pushed for CF's XGS upgrades in to their deal, so they care enough to have pushed for that. Even if its just for risk reduction on contention.

Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 03-Jul-25 10:36:36)

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 03-Jul-25 19:53:10
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It seems Sky pushed for CF's XGS upgrades in to their deal, so they care enough to have pushed for that. Even if its just for risk reduction on contention.


I assume Sky wanted to compete with VM who are now starting to offer higher speeds than OR can, so far in nexfibre areas only.

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Standard User wavehunter170
(newbie) Sun 06-Jul-25 21:47:34
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I've had this conversation with EE recently.

My exchange, Llandovery (SWLKD), is showing as having 1.6GB services available.

Apparently, it just requires a different piece of equipment and the exchange end of the line.

BUT, EE will only do this for new customers, not existing ones.

I have the 900 service and am paying just a few quid shy of the cost of the 1.6GB service. I offered to sign up for a 24-month contract.

But no. If I want the 1.6GB service with EE, I need to leave and come back.

It's bonkers.
Standard User mr_mojo
(knowledge is power) Mon 07-Jul-25 22:23:49
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It's just problem a systems problem. They likely don't have a 'order new ONT on upgrade' path in their billing software as its somewhat new.
Standard User ParksidePeter
(member) Tue 08-Jul-25 17:05:31
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It's just problem a systems problem. They likely don't have a 'order new ONT on upgrade' path in their billing software as its somewhat new.

Surely the ISP should just order the required service. If it requires a new ONT then the supplier will take the necessary action to provide it.
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