In reply to a post by MHC:

But there will still need to be a visit to teh cabinet and that is where a majority of the work is actually done. The premises side is just a small part and the cost savings small.

So long as the customer is at home, and not forgotten about the install, or been called away that's fine.
For Openreach life is much simpler if they only require access to their network and can schedule this to suit themselves.
How lovely it would be if they could connect a group of lines at the PCP and then just check at an external nte that all was well. No need to bother the end user at all.

Not really true, all ports are activated remotely the night before activation. All an engineer would have to do is pop there and do a few jumpers depending if anyone needed to be connected.

Obviously, message the EU before and after.

In reply to a post by MHC:

But there will still need to be a visit to teh cabinet and that is where a majority of the work is actually done. The premises side is just a small part and the cost savings small.

Part of the reasoning is probably along the same lines VM developed the Pooperhub, having an "all in one" integrated device is... well. People like shiny. No real technical or economic benefit though.

In reply to a post by systemx:

In reply to a post by MHC:

But there will still need to be a visit to teh cabinet and that is where a majority of the work is actually done. The premises side is just a small part and the cost savings small.

So long as the customer is at home, and not forgotten about the install, or been called away that's fine.
For Openreach life is much simpler if they only require access to their network and can schedule this to suit themselves.
How lovely it would be if they could connect a group of lines at the PCP and then just check at an external nte that all was well. No need to bother the end user at all.

Indeed, we're getting to the point where lots of people are coming out of contract with Openreach FTTC services and may be disconnecting/reconnecting or switching providers - and will have all the necessary equipment installed already.

Furthermore you can easily batch up cabinet work - one tech could connect ten lines in the cab in ten minutes, even just driving to ten different customers' homes after that and dropping off a box would probably take over double the time. Doing it this way, the customers' preference for visit time also becomes irrelevant, so you could conceivably cut it down to one single tech visiting a particular cabinet once a week and setting everyone up in a matter of minutes, rather than needing him in the area all day because one customer wants a visit in the morning and another in the area is only available in the afternoon...

In reply to a post by caffn8me:

and your recommendation for an unbranded router with built in VDSL2 modem is......?

And your requirement to have a built-in un-approved TOS violating VDSL2 modem is?

I have,. and a openreach modem was left.

So nothing special about that install.

In reply to a post by systemx:

The impending introduction of the HomeHub 5 and no doubt other VDSL router/modems from other ISP's would suggest that wires only FTTC is just around the corner

With wires only we shall see a return of the micro-filter and all the attendant problems with customer wiring that plague many ADSL installations.

Still it all makes work for the working man /woman to do.

Around 13 years ago when I first had ADSL ( time flies) I had a BTOR engineer come and install it, and a good job really as there was a few problems that he sorted out. When I went back to BT the second time I had a couple of problems again, no one to sort it out just someone on the end of a phone in a different country and they knew nothing what so ever, they just followed a script.

Microfilters are horrid things, they get knocked, they break and they are cheap and nasty, I had more problems with micro filters than I ever did with my ADSL faceplate, which is why I fitted another one.
I can see people having even more problems if they do self install fibre., also there is not enough VDSL combined modem/routers at a decent price, not every one Uses BT and also not everyone uses large ISPs.


I know my broadband is a different system as the work was on the roof, but I am sure glad that they put it in and not me, any problems, they sorted and they even got my router which they don't support working on it.

In reply to a post by qasdfdsaq:

Still overpriced IMO. A £10 router with a free OS on it can do all that, and is just as robust, if not more so. All this enterprise branded stuff is just hogwash. I get more disconnects and reboots on Cisco 2602's than on a £5 router running an alpha version of Openwrt.

I suspect the problem is that Cisco have hardly any (percentage terms) of people using their kit on ADSL services - as generally Cisco kit is used to support a lot of users where ADSL service wouldn't have sufficient capacity.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Wakey, wakey

Ha, you got me :-/
Yes I did need more sleep last night.

Edited by jchamier (Fri 09-Aug-13 22:10:54)

In reply to a post by caffn8me:

I wonder how well BT would fare if it tried to take action for breaching Ts&Cs againsst a BT Infinity customer who purchased this router from BT and used it to replace the Openreach modem.

Excellent, nice find Would be amusing

I wonder if Juniper do any VDSL kit, that would be nice (we are a Juniper shop at work). I can't see the benefits over my 3 month+ uptime Asus RT-N66U with Openreach Huawei HG modem.

Maybe the all-in-ones will support baby-jumbo frames over PPPoE properly, so those of us on the WBC backhaul network can get 1500byte MTU. I suspect Sky uses MPoA to solve this (and give routers less work to do).