In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Only one gigabit LAN port, the other three are still 100Mbps, which at a claimed £175 RRP is a bit poor, and since when did EE have their own FTTC network ?

They conveniently forget to mention the engineer visit to the cabinet required.

In all fairness no ISP ever mentioned the exchange work required for ADSL.

The point is that this router can be posted to the customer, and the customer informed that on such and such a date they can plug it in and away they go.
Just like ADSL.
No doubt it will come with a couple of micro-filters.

These routers get smaller and smaller and then people wonder why they over heat and go belly up. No room for air to move, that is the problem.

Only last week that I saw what happens when a BT HH3 overheats. i am not saying we need massive routers, like the old days, but they seem fixated now and making them as small as possible.

In reply to a post by caffn8me:

I hope EE's Bright Box 2 does a better job of handling SIP Protocol for VOIP than the Bright Box 1 which is a total disaster.

Orange old routers was awful.

In reply to a post by systemx:

In all fairness no ISP ever mentioned the exchange work required for ADSL.

The point is that this router can be posted to the customer, and the customer informed that on such and such a date they can plug it in and away they go.
Just like ADSL.
No doubt it will come with a couple of micro-filters.

Oh good grief, I thought with people i know going to fibre, BTOr would sort out problems and I would be left alone, now it seems I will not be left alone.

ADSL all over again

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by systemx:

In all fairness no ISP ever mentioned the exchange work required for ADSL.

The point is that this router can be posted to the customer, and the customer informed that on such and such a date they can plug it in and away they go.
Just like ADSL.
No doubt it will come with a couple of micro-filters.

Oh good grief, I thought with people i know going to fibre, BTOr would sort out problems and I would be left alone, now it seems I will not be left alone.

ADSL all over again

I agree with you comments about small routers and also that self-install with micro-filters will lead to a poor service for many. But ISP's want a small package so the delivered router will fit through a letter box so there is no need for their customer to retrieve a parcel from the post office should they not be at home when it is delivered.

ISP's also want a cheaper activation fee so that they can offer shorter contracts as there is less to make up during the contract period. so self-install is the way to go, and for most this will use micro-filters unless they wish to install an ssfp

Just like ADSL now.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

These routers get smaller and smaller and then people wonder why they over heat and go belly up. No room for air to move, that is the problem.

Only last week that I saw what happens when a BT HH3 overheats. i am not saying we need massive routers, like the old days, but they seem fixated now and making them as small as possible.

You are right routers get smaller and smaller; Orange did supply that small Netgear DGN1000 router. I am not kidding it got frighteningly hot, so hot you could fry an egg on it. Orange stopped supplying it.

After then Orange supplied the even smaller letter box size, "Bright Box 1 router" and you can hardly feel any heat coming from the router, it's a very good small router they supply now. If the Bright Box 2 router performs as good as the earlier model it will be a good bit of kit.

In reply to a post by caffn8me:

I hope EE's Bright Box 2 does a better job of handling SIP Protocol for VOIP than the Bright Box 1 which is a total disaster.

Are you getting mixed up between the Orange Livebox and their Bright Box routers, the Livebox has a dedicated VoIP port.

Sadly this router is now discontinued http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Livebox

In reply to a post by E7er:

In reply to a post by caffn8me:

I hope EE's Bright Box 2 does a better job of handling SIP Protocol for VOIP than the Bright Box 1 which is a total disaster.

Are you getting mixed up between the Orange Livebox and their Bright Box routers, the Livebox has a dedicated VoIP port.

Sadly this router is now discontinued http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Livebox

No, if you plug a VOIP phone (I was trying a SNOM 370) into a network with the old Bright Box router, calls mostly fail. I can't remember the exact nature of the failure but it may have been something like voice quality being too poor or not working in one direction at all.

Swapping it out for a Draytek (the customer's choice) solved the problem straight away.

micro filters isnt a big deal, I tested my old adsl filters on my FTTC and there is no noticeable difference. I didnt test long term use but the sync speed wasnt changed.

The biggest problem I see is if the line/service is faulty on activation, with a self install then its a bad position for the end user.

I remember back to my adsl install back in 2000 I was over the 43db attenuation limit allowed for the service and was a problem on install day, the engineer was a top guy who worked round the problems and got me up and running. He was excited as me as I was the first one in all of leicestershire to have adsl.

What happens when the HH3 overheats? Any pictures? Mines often very hot. I have noticed it gets far far hotter than any router I've ever personally used (apart from the netgear dg834gt which just boiled away all day).