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(deleted) Sat 25-Oct-14 16:07:55
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Digging near the Anchor Inn today, looks like cabinet 7 is getting an FTTC cabinet.

God knows if it ever actually gets a feed....


Well they won't just be putting it there for a laugh so I'm sure it will in good time!
Incidentally, yes it's a long way to Thurstaston, but I don't think its the longest run from a cabinet on the Wirral. The worst is probably parts of Thornton Hough which are fed from a cabinet in Spital! They're lucky to get maybe 2-5Mb on FTTC, so kind of pointless.

I reckon the people down in Thurstaston could get maybe 6-8Mb on FTTC when it arrives for cabinet 7.

Cabinets are now live in Caldy also.

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(knowledge is power) Sat 25-Oct-14 17:51:36
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Well they won't just be putting it there for a laugh


It sometimes seems that way wink

Irby cabinet locations - http://tinyurl.com/irbycabinets
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(deleted) Mon 27-Oct-14 12:47:35
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been watching this thread with interest for what seems like ages now. i am served by the box by the anchor. current ADSL speed on a good day is 6 meg (live not far fro the cottage loaf).

I work from home and also play FPS games so infinity will be a seriously welcome addition to my life.

Main reason I am posting though rather than lurking is a conversation i overheard at the weekend which may explain the recent flurry of activity in the area. I was told that someone had threatened to sue BT over the large slippage on delivery dates. They had been originally informed that fibre would be in our area by last august and had based their business in the area based on that information. the slippage to dec 2014 (if we are lucky) had negatively impacted his business and he was seeking compensation from BT for the misinformation they had provided.

could be bolloc*s though but was an interesting thought


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(deleted) Mon 27-Oct-14 22:15:51
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Nothing like the threat of Legal Action to focus the mind smile
TBH if this comment is true its not the fact that BT/Openreach may be liable to compensation, its the negative publicity any court action would generate. I have been in touch with our local MP and she is awaiting update from Openreach & BT I'll keep you all informed .
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(deleted) Tue 28-Oct-14 12:33:34
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I was told that someone had threatened to sue BT over the large slippage on delivery dates. They had been originally informed that fibre would be in our area by last august and had based their business in the area based on that information. the slippage to dec 2014 (if we are lucky) had negatively impacted his business and he was seeking compensation from BT for the misinformation they had provided.


I can't see a cause of action to sue.


An end user cannot contract directly with Openreach for FTTx - they would need to go through a communications provider such as BT Retail. However, it's Openreach that disseminate the best effort roll out dates. There means there's no possibility of an end user accepting an offer of service BT made generally or to a particular group of people, which would create a unilateral contract. As there is no contract, the business cannot sue for breach of contract.


The first requirement to show BT was negligent would be to establish it owed this business a duty of care to publish reliable information. Openreach would not necessarily have had any way of knowing this business could be a victim when they published the information - they might not even have known this business existed. If Openreach could not foresee this specific business would be a victim, they almost certainly owe it no duty of care in respect of the date, also any loss caused is likely to be too remote from any breach of duty of care to be recoverable.

It is debatable whether it is a fair, just and reasonable to impose a duty of care considering that the public interest is arguably better served by publication of 'best estimate' rollout data rather than Openreach publishing no information at all about their plans.


Even if a duty of care is owed and the company demonstrates that a breach of this duty caused it losses that BT could reasonably foresee, there does not appear to be any way for the company to recover for financial losses caused to the business via a negligence claim. The general position is that you cannot recover for pure economic loss in matters of tort such as negligence - you can only recover for economic loss that was a consequence of physical damage.

In certain circumstances, recovery for loss that is purely economic is possible, but this can only happen when the body making the statement assumed responsibility towards a specific body in the advice it gave and it was reasonable for that body to rely on the advice. I cannot see how BT assumed responsibility for the actions this company took by publishing a proposed ready for service date, so any losses appear to be irrecoverable pure economic loss.



I think any suggestion that a business is taking legal action that is likely to lead to a victory against BT is pure bluster.
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(deleted) Wed 29-Oct-14 13:08:43
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I have had letter from our MP Esther McVey and she has been advised by BT that with regard to FTTC 9 in Whaley Lane there appears to be ducting problems and therefore it cannot be connected to Fibre network, as result new ducting will be required along footway, presumably towards phone exchange further along Whaley Lane.
I may be wrong but until this is done, connection of other FTTC's in the Irby Village etc , will not be able to connect to Irby phone exchange, if they use a daisy chain connection, unless there is another route for or Fibre BB ?
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(knowledge is power) Wed 29-Oct-14 15:46:36
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From what I've been told on here, Irby fibre is being delivered from the Arrowbrook exchange. Also, the few fibre enabled (and taking orders) cabinets are all on the south east side (check map in my signature), which suggest that they might be being fed from Heswall.

Just a hunch.

Irby cabinet locations - http://tinyurl.com/irbycabinets
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(deleted) Wed 29-Oct-14 16:14:30
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I thought that might be a possibility - think I might hire a mini JCB and do the ducting myself smile might be quicker.
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I have had letter from our MP Esther McVey and she has been advised by BT that with regard to FTTC 9 in Whaley Lane there appears to be ducting problems and therefore it cannot be connected to Fibre network, as result new ducting will be required along footway, presumably towards phone exchange further along Whaley Lane.
I may be wrong but until this is done, connection of other FTTC's in the Irby Village etc , will not be able to connect to Irby phone exchange, if they use a daisy chain connection, unless there is another route for or Fibre BB ?


Please re-read the thread. I can confirm 100% that the fibre cabinets in Irby ARE connected to Arrowebrook, not the exchange in Whaley Lane. Also, cabinets are NOT daisy chained.

In reply to a post by Irby:
From what I've been told on here, Irby fibre is being delivered from the Arrowbrook exchange. Also, the few fibre enabled (and taking orders) cabinets are all on the south east side (check map in my signature), which suggest that they might be being fed from Heswall.

Just a hunch.


How many times do we have to go through this? I'm telling you they are not fed from Heswall! They are all fed from Arrowebrook. Heswall cabinets are all
Connected to Arrowebrook also, as are the Caldy ones.

I'm pretty sure MrSaffron used to have a database that told which fibre headends are used for certain areas. Maybe if he could post here and also confirm they are connected to Arrowebrook you might believe me?

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Icaras - thank you for clarification regarding Irby FTTC's being connected to Arrowebrook exchange, therefore the situation regarding ducting is worse than I thought, god knows were the blockage is - I was told some months ago by an engineer that some digging would have to be done in Whaley Lane over blockage of Fibre cable to Irby Exchange. It looks like I'll be getting connected to Arrowebrook not Irby exchange just down the road, not sure what signal I will get frown but hope its what is advertised.
I appreciate that you sound/feel exasperated over this discussion , we do believe you but all contributors to this thread or do not have Fibre are equally exasperated & frustrated over how long it is taking, we have no way of making direct contact to Openreach, if we contact our ISP's all we can show is interest in having Fibre broadband and thats it.
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