Is the photo of the bare cable (standard looking 3 pair CW1308) the end of the cable in the study? Did it have a socket and you've removed it?

At your master socket the wiring looks as it should for a phone extension - blue pair for terminals 2 and 5 and the orange wire (bell wire) to terminal 3.

In the back of the master socket you've got the green pair unused. You could use this to connect to the data extension terminals on the faceplate filter (in the top left corner of the area that gets covered by the removable front plate.

In the study you would then have a telephone extension socket with the blue pair and the orange bell wire terminated on it. Then next to it you can install an RJ11 socket for the connection to the modem/router with he green pair terminated on it. Then you'd be able to have a phone and the modem/router in the study (same as you probably had with ADSL dangly filters.

Not sure what you mean, just looks normal to me.

There's a blue/white pair from the back of the NTE5 that appear to go to the IDC terminals on the back of the VDSL filter. Along with an Orange.

I haven't seen the back of a Mk3 before, but there look to be three IDC slots, whereas there used to be two - A/B as opposed to 2/5. These were to provide connection for the Home Wiring Solution (data extension kit), ending in an unfiltered extension where the OR modem would be sited.
... Has another good look!

Ah. I hadn't realised the filter is lying on top of the connected NTE5 and the wires are just going through the main hole to it.



So you are right - all is fine.

Moving on from there, I broadby agree with your suggestion to the OP, except I wouldn't cut the blue/white pair. I'd gently lift them out and reconnect as you say to the A/B IDC terminals. This allows for reversal of the process without having to set up a new pair.

Assuming a phone is also required in the study, perhaps one of these, which he may already have seeing as his ADSLx router was up there.

Edited by RobertoS (Thu 20-Aug-15 23:27:23)

In reply to a post by Piscatorian:

I'm reluctant to try moving it because last week I asked my ISP about trying to connect up from the extension in the study and they said I should avoid that because if could cause a reset issue at the cabinet?

It wouldn't . But as just agreed with vimto_girl it just wouldn't work. The blue/white wires to it are only carrying the phone signal, and the filtering is two-way.

Edited by RobertoS (Thu 20-Aug-15 23:30:14)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Moving on from there, I broadby agree with your suggestion to the OP, except I wouldn't cut the blue/white pair. I'd gently lift them out and reconnect as you say to the A/B IDC terminals. This allows for reversal of the process without having to set up a new pair.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant after lifting the wires out out, trim the ends which were punched down so the new termination is through fresh insulation.

In reply to a post by AL66:

Is the photo of the bare cable (standard looking 3 pair CW1308) the end of the cable in the study? Did it have a socket and you've removed it?

At your master socket the wiring looks as it should for a phone extension - blue pair for terminals 2 and 5 and the orange wire (bell wire) to terminal 3.

In the back of the master socket you've got the green pair unused. You could use this to connect to the data extension terminals on the faceplate filter (in the top left corner of the area that gets covered by the removable front plate.

In the study you would then have a telephone extension socket with the blue pair and the orange bell wire terminated on it. Then next to it you can install an RJ11 socket for the connection to the modem/router with he green pair terminated on it. Then you'd be able to have a phone and the modem/router in the study (same as you probably had with ADSL dangly filters.

The cable in the photo is just from a spare piece that was left over after the installation.

@Everyone

A big thank you to you all for the helpful advice.
At the moment I'm just a bit confused and truth be told I'm a bit nervous about playing with telecoms.
Please bare with me while I get my head around just what exactly I need to do!

Hi Everyone,

To give you a better idea of what I have in mind I've attached an image to help. Lounge Plan

As previously mentioned leaving the router next to the modem is not an option and also I'm very reluctant to place it on or in the AV cabinet due to interference so that just leaves the study area.

I've been having ongoing conversations with my ISP explaining this situation which goes as follows:

I asked my ISP to confirm if it was possible to run a CAT5 cable from the modem to either the 5 port switch or the ethernet port (both behind the AV unit), place the router in the study and connect the EWAN to the ethernet socket to which the reply was:

'The router should directly connect to the modem but the cable can be of a longer distance, up to 100 meters usually.

However, we do not recommend connecting through a switch/hub because this may interfere with the PPPoE data that sits between the modem/router and cause unpredictable results. The only exception to this is if the switch supports VLANs and you can create a VLAN for only the modem and router to talk to where they won't see any other device but again, it could be unpredictable in terms of stability.'

I then asked would it help if I placed an ethernet splitter into the socket behind the AV unit and then attached the 5 port switch in 1 side of the splitter and the cable from the modem into the other side? (as you've suggested) and they said:

'I don�t believe this will work i�m afraid.
It has to be a direct connection with a full feed to the modem which a splitter would block.'

I asked if they had any thoughts as to what could be done to which the reply was:

'Bar leaving the router near the modem which isn't possible or having a direct ethernet connection, I don't think there are many other options.'


So now I'm really not sure what to do.
It worries me that there seems to be a difference of opinion, I really dont want to screw up my broadband.

In reply to a post by Piscatorian:

I then asked would it help if I placed an ethernet splitter into the socket behind the AV unit and then attached the 5 port switch in 1 side of the splitter and the cable from the modem into the other side? (as you've suggested) and they said:

'I don�t believe this will work i�m afraid.
It has to be a direct connection with a full feed to the modem which a splitter would block.'

It'll work fine. You use a pair of these or similar, one upstairs, one downstairs: http://www.lindy.co.uk/cables-adapters-c1/network-c4...

It's a purely passive solution that just wires the pins to the cable as shown on the unit, it doesn't block anything. It makes use of the fact that a 100 Mb/s connection only uses 2 out of the 4 pairs of Cat5. So over the one Cat5 cable you can have one full connection from modem to router WAN, and one 100 Mb/s connection from router LAN to AV switch.

The support person at your ISP probably misunderstood what kind of 'splitter' would be used.

In reply to a post by vimto_girl:

In reply to a post by Piscatorian:

I then asked would it help if I placed an ethernet splitter into the socket behind the AV unit and then attached the 5 port switch in 1 side of the splitter and the cable from the modem into the other side? (as you've suggested) and they said:

'I don�t believe this will work i�m afraid.
It has to be a direct connection with a full feed to the modem which a splitter would block.'

It'll work fine. You use a pair of these or similar, one upstairs, one downstairs: http://www.lindy.co.uk/cables-adapters-c1/network-c4...

It's a purely passive solution that just wires the pins to the cable as shown on the unit, it doesn't block anything. It makes use of the fact that a 100 Mb/s connection only uses 2 out of the 4 pairs of Cat5. So over the one Cat5 cable you can have one full connection from modem to router WAN, and one 100 Mb/s connection from router LAN to AV switch.

The support person at your ISP probably misunderstood what kind of 'splitter' would be used.

Hi vimto_girl,

Thank you for taking the time to reply.
Just to recap...

� I put 1 splittter into the lounge and 1 splitter into the study.
� I run CAT5 from the modem in the lounge to the splitter behind AV cabinet.
� I connect the 5 port switch to the splitter behind the AV cabinet.
� I connect the router to the splitter in the study.

I notice on the Lindy UTP Port Doubler that the 2 sides are marked red & blue so does that mean if I connect the modem to red in the lounge I should connect the router to red in the study?

And...hopefully job done!

Once again many thanks

Edited by Piscatorian (Fri 28-Aug-15 16:44:30)