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Standard User Piscatorian
(newbie) Sat 29-Aug-15 16:34:53
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Re: FTTC install gone wrong!


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If ethernet is immune to noise then surely running ethernet straight out of the master socket shouldn't be an issue should it?


You are not running Ethernet from the master socket - you are running DSL. They are totally different - different at all layers.


As you most probably realised I know absolutely sod all about this kind of stuff so to you and everyone else please forgive my ignorance.
So is it a DSL signal up to the modem and everything from the router around the network is ethernet signal ?
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Sat 29-Aug-15 16:59:41
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Re: FTTC install gone wrong!


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So is it a DSL signal up to the modem and everything from the router around the network is ethernet signal ?


YES. It is the protocol or method used to transfer data between computers ( there are others too). DSL is used to go from the DSLAM to local MODEM.

The cables are Cat5e (or Cat6) and can be used to carry Ethernet or DSL signals (or others) - they are NOT Ethernet cables and the connectors are RJ45.

Do not mix DSL and Ethrent signals in the same cable - you could introduce significant cross talk onto the DSL signal. DSL signal amplitudes are in the sub-millivolt region.


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Standard User Piscatorian
(newbie) Sat 29-Aug-15 17:09:48
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Re: FTTC install gone wrong!


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So is it a DSL signal up to the modem and everything from the router around the network is ethernet signal ?


YES. It is the protocol or method used to transfer data between computers ( there are others too). DSL is used to go from the DSLAM to local MODEM.

The cables are Cat5e (or Cat6) and can be used to carry Ethernet or DSL signals (or others) - they are NOT Ethernet cables and the connectors are RJ45.

Do not mix DSL and Ethrent signals in the same cable - you could introduce significant cross talk onto the DSL signal. DSL signal amplitudes are in the sub-millivolt region.


Given that you say Cat5e can be used to carry DSL or ethernet signal then surely I can connect an 10m Cat5e into the master socket and then connect the other end into the modem in the AV unit?


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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Sat 29-Aug-15 17:48:39
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Yes you can. However I would advise against it.

The routing will be close to speaker cables - high power and lots of potential for noise. The AV unit will have various items running - all with processors and amplifiers and lots more electronic noise and levels tens and hundreds of dBs above the DSL signal level. The result? A loss of a significant amount of speed.

Keep the modem as close as you possibly can to the incoming line and master. Keep it away from other electronics. I have a couple of items here which, if I powered them up close to your modem, would totally smother your connection.


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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 29-Aug-15 17:57:27
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Re: FTTC install gone wrong!


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Can we step back a bit to vimto_girl's original suggestion? (At the time I was failing to see the master socket photo correctly).

She gave a simple, easy solution that may be satisfactory, but the conversation has now headed to looking for perfection.

There is a test you can easily do which would be worth posting the results of. If they are good then her solution is worth a try. If they are very poor then the more complicated solution is probably necessary.

It's just the standard BT Wholesale Performance Test. Ignore the red instructions for now, just say you've done them.

On the results page, look at the bottom and click the Further diagnostics. Once you give it your phone number it goes and gets more detailed information. Please can you copy and pasted the full contents of the two text boxes of results.. We don't need to see the graphics.

The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 57970/13958kbps @ 600m. - BQM
Standard User Piscatorian
(learned) Sat 29-Aug-15 21:14:45
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Re: FTTC install gone wrong!


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Can we step back a bit to vimto_girl's original suggestion? (At the time I was failing to see the master socket photo correctly).

She gave a simple, easy solution that may be satisfactory, but the conversation has now headed to looking for perfection.

There is a test you can easily do which would be worth posting the results of. If they are good then her solution is worth a try. If they are very poor then the more complicated solution is probably necessary.

It's just the standard BT Wholesale Performance Test. Ignore the red instructions for now, just say you've done them.

On the results page, look at the bottom and click the Further diagnostics. Once you give it your phone number it goes and gets more detailed information. Please can you copy and pasted the full contents of the two text boxes of results.. We don't need to see the graphics.


Can this test be done with wifi as my Mac is hard wired, however I do have an old windows laptop I could use?
Standard User Piscatorian
(learned) Sat 29-Aug-15 21:16:10
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Yes you can. However I would advise against it.

The routing will be close to speaker cables - high power and lots of potential for noise. The AV unit will have various items running - all with processors and amplifiers and lots more electronic noise and levels tens and hundreds of dBs above the DSL signal level. The result? A loss of a significant amount of speed.

Keep the modem as close as you possibly can to the incoming line and master. Keep it away from other electronics. I have a couple of items here which, if I powered them up close to your modem, would totally smother your connection.


Thank you MHC, duly noted.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 29-Aug-15 21:38:09
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Yes, fine using wifi. I/We just need to see the IP Profiles and possibly some connection speed info. in the down and up text boxes. But post the full contents as requested - you never know what interesting thing we may spot.

The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 57970/13958kbps @ 600m. - BQM
Standard User Piscatorian
(learned) Mon 31-Aug-15 22:14:02
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Re: FTTC install gone wrong!


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I dont want to muddy the water but unfortunately my internet has been playing up. When I'm web browsing quite often it just hangs and I have to go and restart th router. Not only that I have also seen a message on screen saying I have an IP conflict so maybe thats the cause of drop in speed/connection?

Anyway heres the test result as requested...


FAQ
Results Image not loaded



1. Best Effort Test: -provides background information.

Download Speed
25.4 Mbps

0 Mbps 25.64 Mbps
Max Achievable Speed

Download speedachieved during the test was - 25.4 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 17.94 Mbps-25.64 Mbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is - 25.64 Mbps

2. Upstream Test: -provides background information.

Upload Speed
5.34 Mbps

0 Mbps 10 Mbps
Max Achievable Speed

Upload speed achieved during the test was - 5.34Mbps
Additional Information:
Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 10 Mbps
Standard User Piscatorian
(learned) Tue 01-Sep-15 05:23:03
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Re: FTTC install gone wrong!


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OK splitters are purchased and on the way.
I lust need an 8-10m length of cable, can anyone recommend any particular type/brand for this application?
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