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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 08-Sep-15 17:00:23
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1500m because telephone lines are not crows, but have to follow roads and even on a 1km dead straight road the line length will be more as it wiggles around other obstructions, crosses under junctions etc

These connection figures are from the test socket, i.e. no phones and all extensions in the home are not working.

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It should come on in a while as long as your modem supports it.
Standard User keith969
(learned) Tue 08-Sep-15 17:11:21
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Why?


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(deleted) Tue 08-Sep-15 17:25:46
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1500m because telephone lines are not crows, but have to follow roads and even on a 1km dead straight road the line length will be more as it wiggles around other obstructions, crosses under junctions etc

These connection figures are from the test socket, i.e. no phones and all extensions in the home are not working.


I see what you mean - fair enough.

Yes these figures are direct from the master socket with no extensions.

My line was an EO line but got moved to cabinet 27, I am not sure what the point of that was when it provides no benefit whatsoever. There are several cabinets a lot closer to my property than cabinet 27.

I guess until FTTrn or G.FAST is rolled out I have no chance of getting a decent connection and even then I doubt I will be able to get it since it seems my street and surrounding roads are the only ones in the whole of the town who can not get a decent fibre connection. frown

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 08-Sep-15 18:20:17
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Because the much higher frequencies of VDSL2 are attenuated a lot more by copper than for ADSL2+

So 1km on ADSL2+ will deliver 17 to 20 Mbps but same distance on VDSL2 will be around the same, rather than being 3 or 4 times higher that some believe.

What matters most is the distance to the cabinet

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Standard User thomaswarne01
(member) Tue 08-Sep-15 18:34:19
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Hello,
I experienced the same issue as you when I upgraded to FTTC, and since have switched back, (this was last year)
Was getting around 15Mbps to 18Mbps on ADSL2+ with 1.1Mb upload
and when I upgraded to FTTC the engineer even recommended switching back, as the FTTC synced between 10Mbps and 20Mbps download and the upload speed was 386Kbps, and it wouldn't budge, I have since found out that there is allot of aluminium line (source=engineer tracing fault) in the road coming to my area and that is most likely the cause, but none the less I am waiting for fttp to never arrive as if my line can get FTTC they will not install FTTP no matter what speed.
But had a bit of a giggle to myself when the area the FTTC is in had a planned power outage, and it was off from 8am till 6pm, overhead and underground wiring works, and people that where not in the affected area on FTTC the connection went down after a while, what a surprise, I was fine being served adsl2+ from the exchange and after the power came back on at the cabinet, peoples broadband started working again, FTTC has its benefits and drawbacks I suppose.
even if they do suffer from an extended power outage. unlike exchange served adsl2+

So if you do go back to adsl2+ be pleased because if there is a power outage in the area the broadband will still work unlike on fttc which will only last a few hours.
(providing your power isn't out or is backed up by UPS, Generator, batteries, etc...)

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(deleted) Tue 08-Sep-15 19:31:42
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Just seems unfair that certain people seem stuck due to circumstance outside their control - no other service industry would get away with it.

Does anyone think that long distance former EO lines that are stuck onto cabinets close to the exchange will have anything done to remedy them going forward? My area is covered by BDUK Derbyshire and they say the area is under review which basically means they have no plan for it yet. It doesnt seem to me like anything willl be done to address lines like these, ive not heard or read about anyone in a similar situation getting a solution to the problem
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 08-Sep-15 19:45:51
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All depends on what the local targets are, and with all due respect people getting 10 Mbps or more are probably well down the priority list when others are still getting sub 2 Mbps

I know it is very frustrating but the way things are done it is to benefit the majority which is different to benefiting everyone.

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Standard User PaulKirby
(experienced) Tue 08-Sep-15 19:51:36
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All depends on what the local targets are, and with all due respect people getting 10 Mbps or more are probably well down the priority list when others are still getting sub 2 Mbps

I know it is very frustrating but the way things are done it is to benefit the majority which is different to benefiting everyone.
Well I had found:
  • Cabinet: 27
    • FTTP: 0
    • FTTC: 617
    • ADSLx: 5
    • None: 0
Granted the speeds are not great for some, but the cabinet is either located in the actual exchange of very close outside it.

When I check my database for the actual approximate speeds BTW say later on I will post the highs, lows and average speeds.

*** update ***
[FTTC]
55 homes with speeds between 70Mbps and 80Mbps Range A
101 homes with speeds between 60Mbps and 80Mbps Range A
163 homes with speeds between 50Mbps and 78.9Mbps Range A
83 homes with speeds between 40Mbps and 65.6Mbps Range A
105 homes with speeds between 30Mbps and 55Mbps Range A
32 homes with speeds between 20Mbps and 36.4Mbps Range A
78 homes with speeds between 13.5Mbps and 23.8Mbps Range A

[ADSLx]
5 homes with speeds between 14.0Mbps and 20Mbps.
Speeds last checked 22 Aug 2015.

Paul

Edited by PaulKirby (Tue 08-Sep-15 20:20:10)

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(deleted) Tue 08-Sep-15 20:39:10
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Just seems unfair that certain people seem stuck due to circumstance outside their control - no other service industry would get away with it.
You mean like those without access to mains gas or mains sewerage?

There are many of us on EO lines experiencing much slower connections than yourself and with no prospect of BDUK or our local authority funding the necessary network rearrangement and installation of FTTC. Hopefully you will get to see better speeds later in the BDUK or subsequent programme.
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