Sounds abhorrent, frankly. Verizon here simply provision an ethernet install upon request which allows me to receive a DHCP lease from my ONT.

I ended up paying £3700 in construction charges (band D) and £300 pm in rental charges on a min 3 year term after which I can take out a native FTTP service at a lower price.

That is [censored] insane. I pay $110 all in for FTTP 150/150, with TV and phone.

Why is the UK so outrageously behind on internet provisioning? We fell hugely behind on LTE (the US is streets ahead of the UK on 4G, and now, 5G) and internet infrastructure appears stuck in the early 00's still.

In reply to a post by toph3r:

To my mind this install - especially that awful black router / WiFi thing - is eye opening.

I dunno, i think the Netgear R9000 looks quite impressive in a 'it means business' sort of way:
http://www.netgear.com.cn/images/Products/Networking...

In reply to a post by toph3r:

Why is the BT ONT sitting inside your house like that?

That's just the way Openreach install the ONT. Personally I think the ONT is installed in a reasonably discrete location . I deliberately chose not to have the battery backup unit (BBU) installed to minimise wiring (i don't have FVA anyway) and the ONT fibre cabling runs nicely along the skirting boards. Perhaps if I had FTTP installed when my house was being built then the wiring could have been hidden. Also I wasn't too keen on having tens of metres of ethernet cable from the ONT to the router (ala Hyperoptic style), the ONT sits nicely below/behind my router and a short (30cm) cat7 ethernet cable connects the 2

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Lastly, why is the speed so slow? 30Mbit upload? That is amateur hour. I have a 150/150 connection here, with Gigabit available. What is your ISPs excuse for providing such a measly upload when the download is 330?

BT/Openreach (main Telco operator in Blighty) don't sell anything higher than 330/30 at present for FTTP, though they have plans to start offering 500meg & 1gb services soon. Even then they won't be offering symmetrical speeds like other FTTP operators such as Gigaclear. I guess BT/OR want to protect their lucrative leased line revenue on which you can take out a symmetrical fibre service, eg 300/300 or 500/500mbps but these services often cost £1000's per month.

In reply to a post by toph3r:

That is [censored] insane. I pay $110 all in for FTTP 150/150, with TV and phone.

But the costs I paid are for a FTTP custom install. How much would a punter in US of A pay for bringing FTTP to his/her front door when they don't have native FTTP available? I'm not talking about bringing ethernet, but pure fibre to your doorstep. I'm sure it would cost $1000s, that's if an ISP in US of A will let you order Fibre On demand.

Edited by deleted (Tue 04-Jul-17 22:34:14)

I dunno, i think the Netgear R9000 looks quite impressive in a 'it means business' sort of way:
http://www.netgear.com.cn/images/Products/Networking...

So that's not the default device supplied by the ISP? That's a relief. Concerning equipment, I'm a big fan of Ubiquiti and PFSense. Consumer stuff like Netgear doesn't really do it for me unfortunately, despite the impressive antennas

That's just the way Openreach install the ONT. Personally I think the ONT is installed in a reasonably discrete location . I deliberately chose not to have the battery backup unit (BBU) installed to minimise wiring (i don't have FVA anyway) and the ONT fibre cabling runs nicely along the skirting boards. Perhaps if I had FTTP installed when my house was being built then the wiring could have been hidden. Also I wasn't too keen on having tens of metres of ethernet cable from the ONT to the router (ala Hyperoptic style), the ONT sits nicely below/behind my router and a short (30cm) cat7 ethernet cable connects the 2

Yes, fair enough. I would simply prefer the ONT to be installed where I could connect it to my racked infrastructure, not the living room table. It's all individual choice of course, I get that.

BT/Openreach (main Telco operator in Blighty) don't sell anything higher than 330/30 at present for FTTP, though they have plans to start offering 500meg & 1gb services soon. Even then they won't be offering symmetrical speeds like other FTTP operators such as Gigaclear. I guess BT/OR want to protect their lucrative leased line revenue on which you can take out a symmetrical fibre service, eg 300/300 or 500/500mbps but these services often cost £1000's per month.

Right, and that's the issue. It's protectionism, and - like so much of what BT do - it's disgusting. 30Mb upload is a paltry speed for a FTTP connection, especially given the OBSCENE pricing you're being charged.

But the costs I paid are for a FTTP custom install. How much would a punter in US of A pay for bringing FTTP to his/her front door when they don't have native FTTP available? I'm not talking about bringing ethernet, but pure fibre to your doorstep. I'm sure it would cost $1000s, that's if an ISP in US of A will let you order Fibre On demand.

No, I get that. I'm just making the point there where I am (the Northeast of the US) FTTP services are widely available; pre-dominantly from Verizon FiOS but also now from ATT and Comcast. So the consumer doesn't need a custom pull, the service is outside a pole ready to go!

Edited by toph3r (Tue 04-Jul-17 22:55:55)

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But the costs I paid are for a FTTP custom install. How much would a punter in US of A pay for bringing FTTP to his/her front door when they don't have native FTTP available? I'm not talking about bringing ethernet, but pure fibre to your doorstep. I'm sure it would cost $1000s, that's if an ISP in US of A will let you order Fibre On demand.

The one I know that does it charges between $159.95 and $299.95 for 2Gbps symmetrical, install is $1000. Believe there are lower speeds available at lower costs, and the lower price is conditional on area and agreeing a three year contract.

It's available to any customer within a third of a mile of their optical network, which equates to being within a third of a mile of the equivalent of an FTTC cabinet or aggregation node in BT speak.

Plus, to achieve similiar internet connectivity, that can be done over simple DOCSIS 3.0, which the vast majority of the developed US (the Northeast, and West Coast - forget the rest, redneck areas..) have easy access to.

I appreciate the OPs post, and sharing their experience with us, I really do. I just feel, however, that is just further demonstrates how appallingly behind the UK is - and has been for a decade plus - with internet infrastructure.

Like, honestly, the UK is a miniscule country, how hard can it possibly be?!

Mind you, I get my health care for free, am far less likely to be shot whilst going about my daily business, and haven't voted in a congenital idiot as president. Swings and roundabouts innit.

Well I've no knowledge of E12, but can recommend Pau and it's surroundings.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Well I've no knowledge of E12, but can recommend Pau and it's surroundings.

LOL

Paul

I wish people would stop with the myth that the UK has healthcare for free in the UK. Nothing is free. Healthcare is paid for through general taxation and private insurance.

Regarding political leaders; Trump is an idiot, but Theresa Maybot is just as bad, worse in many respects.