In reply to a post by AndyHCZ:

The reason Talk Talk and Sky didn't sell FTTP in the past is that supporting a new product would require a lot of changes to their back end systems and staff training. I assume they felt that the number of premises passed did not justify the development and training cost.

There's also the branding thing. TalkTalk and Sky both really, really like to pretend that there's no BT Group involvement in delivering their services. They hate that the ONT has to be supplied by Openreach and has a brand identified with BT on it. Whether the Openreach rebrand has an any way mollified them I do not know.

They both still want the same level of control they have over MPF LLU.

But yet when people call their contact centres they mostly refer to Openreach as �BT�, so they don�t help themselves really.

The NTEs have now had the BT part of the Openreach logo removed. I�m not sure if the ONT has yet.

Sky and Talk Talk both (currently) have Mobile services...
so could provide that as their Voice solution.

Most people and certainly anyone who understands wanting FTTP would have one anyway. The use of landlines has been falling for a long time - many only having them for DSL needs.

Sky and Talk Talk could always partner / white label ANO VOIP brand ?

And if someone really only wants landline, then use BT

The technology for VoIP is simple and it's been around for some time now. However, Sky and TalkTalk have zero interest to lose their MPF/LLU network.

Two ISPs have been opposed to SOGEA from the outset. Any guesses which?

I understand from their point of view that they want to sweat their LLU equipment, however in new build areas why�re getting no revenue anyway. So they may as well get something rather than nothing at all.

Let's not forget BT�s own babies � EE & Plusnet � also don�t offer FTTP on the Openreach platform (for new customers at least). AFAIK Plusnet will migrate existing customers over to FTTP (still in trial?) but most non-PN customers won�t be aware of this and even they were they�d have to migrate to a xDSL service first which rules out those on FTTP only builds.

Personally I think once OR FTTP is more widespread then most/all of the mass market ISPs will start selling FTTP services. The fact that TalkTalk are already selling GFast services for those in live trial areas (see here & here) proves they are deadly serious about selling faster Openreach services. Its also possible that most ISPs are not (yet) totally happy with Openreach's FTTP installation timescales/procedures, so are waiting for further improvements (especially wrt timescales) before they take the leap. Plenty of FTTP installation/order horror stories on TBB forums, a recent one here.

Edited by deleted (Sat 03-Feb-18 04:40:59)

Our ONT (installed this week) has no branding - there is a approx 50x50mm recessed square for a branding label, with no branding label in it (it is the new single ethernet port / single phone port ONT).

The new master socket (they modified it ready for FVA) is Openreach branded, so maybe old stock is being used up (It says Openreach - A BT Group Business. It has a large Openreach 'logo' and a small BT one)

Simon

The actual ONT inside that box IS Openreach branded.

https://ibb.co/h4dZzR
https://ibb.co/e35EzR




*edited to add photo links

Edited by Zarjaz (Sat 03-Feb-18 11:11:52)

In reply to a post by Icaras:

The NTEs have now had the BT part of the Openreach logo removed.

Is this related to the *cough* separation of BT and Openreach?