If it's ECC costs with only a discount for premises in the order, then FTTPoD is even deader in the water than it was, as EAD comes into play.

So I do think it is as it says and a discount for premises passed, which means higher (and more transparent) build costs but relatively proportionately greater discounts, meaning it's not much different from before. Although it also means that while it's viable for urban dwellers, rural folk are shafted again since they don't pass many properties.

It's very optimistic to assume the discount covers every single property the fibre passes between the aggregation node and your property. I'd be absolutely astonished if this was the case. In some areas there will be hundreds of homes inbetween the 2.

The price list does say "FTTP on demand build charge exemption per premises passed by PON". It then directs you to note 5.

Under Note 5 it states "and an amount per premise we determine to have been enabled (to use FTTP) by the relevant build work"

At best it will be properties that would be served by your new Fibre DP.
This would be my guess, as these are the only properties that have everything in place once the FTTPod order is complete.

At worst it's £50 per property on the order, which for most orders will be a single property.

Edited by j0hn83 (Sat 17-Feb-18 01:40:25)

In reply to a post by AndyHCZ:

If the customer accepts the ECC (build) cost, then he would have to pay this cost. If the customer rejects the build cost, then he would have to pay for the survey (£245.14 +VAT). The survey charge is only payable if the order does not progress.

With the old FoD pricing the customer had the choice of pulling out penalty-free if the build costs increased after the survey was carried out (ie ECCs applied). Is that no longer the case with the new pricing?

IIRC the survey fee was always non-returnable if the customer declined the quotation.

Well I read 'per premise to have been enabled' as any premise that the PON passes and can then order normal FTTP. In other words, those premises don't need to have the ONT actually installed with blinking green lights in the same order, just that they can then order it should they choose.

If it doesn't mean that and premises enabled does actually mean fully installed premises, then why would we choose FTTPoD at all? It makes far more sense to order an EAD that no one else can ever share and spread the costs of that between the premises in the order, Hyperoptic-style.

In any case Mr Saffron is planning to have a chat with OR to get to the bottom of this. Either way though I think the bigger issue is the rural vs urban problem.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

IIRC the survey fee was always non-returnable if the customer declined the quotation.

Nope, in the old pricing structure you could cancel without paying a penny if your build charges increased after the survey. This was clearly stated in the contract I signed with Fluidone.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Yep. The head end needs to be told the serial number of the ONT, and what services/account should be associated with it .... thus providing the ordered product.

He's referring to entering the same serial number on his own ONT to get around this. However unless this is printed on the ONT it would need him to obtain access to it or to set up an OLT and sniff this and any password.

Far from academic. Very much depends how seriously Openreach want to prevent people using their own ONT. Perfectly possible very little security is in place.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

IIRC the survey fee was always non-returnable if the customer declined the quotation.

Nope, in the old pricing structure you could cancel without paying a penny if your build charges increased after the survey. This was clearly stated in the contract I signed with Fluidone.

That doesn't necessarily mean it was returned by Openreach. I doubt if that information is still available unless someone can find it on the web page archive site.

In reply to a post by zzing123:

In any case Mr Saffron is planning to have a chat with OR to get to the bottom of this. Either way though I think the bigger issue is the rural vs urban problem.

Agreed. It is crazy that Openreach have proportionately more FTTP in rural areas than urban ones, though this seems to be being addressed.

Regarding the discount per premises passed this covers only properties that can be easily connected. Openreach will not enable every property the new build passes, only those served by the final splitter. They won't be installing additional splitters, etc, that won't serve the customer that placed the order so the ceiling for additional premises is pretty low.

Nothing to do with shafting rural areas, just reality. Take a single property on its own DP with a few poles dedicated to it and a fully ducted row of terrace houses. Building the fibre splitter next to the existing copper DP and considering all properties served by that DP to be enabled is treating them both exactly the same, there are just more properties served by the one outside the terrace.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

IIRC the survey fee was always non-returnable if the customer declined the quotation.

Nope, in the old pricing structure you could cancel without paying a penny if your build charges increased after the survey. This was clearly stated in the contract I signed with Fluidone.

That doesn't necessarily mean it was returned by Openreach. I doubt if that information is still available unless someone can find it on the web page archive site.

Email from Fluidone to me back in Feb 2017:
�Openreach will give us the option to cancel your installation without penalties should ECCs be raised after the survey.�
Couldn�t be clearer!