NGA services ( FTTP/C) connect to aggregation nodes. Leased lines connect fibre distribution nodes . The 2 are not readily interconnected.
Additionally , if you went the leased line route and wanted to change provider there is no easy migration route . At best it would be a cease and provide . At worst you could be looking at additional costs to connect to an alternative providers POP.

Edited by witchunt (Sat 24-Mar-18 19:28:16)

Should that have read �have YOU actually had a survey� ?

In reply to a post by witchunt:

NGA services ( FTTP/C) connect to aggregation nodes. Leased lines connect fibre distribution nodes . The 2 are not readily interconnected.
Additionally , if you went the leased line route and wanted to change provider there is no easy migration route . At best it would be a cease and provide . At worst you could be looking at additional costs to connect to an alternative providers POP.

... or moving to FTTPoD!

Edit: Initial version was rubbish, because I misunderstood your post.

Edited by RobertoS (Sat 24-Mar-18 20:13:13)

What then do I have?

You have a piece of fibre that can only be used for another leased line contract

In reply to a post by Anth:

I ask as Cerebrus quoted me £20,600 ex vat build costs and also the (I think) either £100 or likely £160 ontop per month for FTTP on demand.

So we are talking around £30,000 for a years FTTP with Cerebrus. Which is crazy prices.

If you are really serious about getting FoD then why not get a proper survey done? The initial prices quoted by Cerberus/Openreach appear to have been randomly generated (they're probably using this) and don't seem to reflect the true nature of the work required. For example my immediate neighbour was quoted £21,500 despite the FTTP splitter (from my FoD installation) being 20 metres away from his doorstep. Yes, it will cost you £250 - if you don't proceed with the order - but at least you'll know for sure the amount of work required to bring fibre to your home. Waiting for others to give you their costs after survey probably won't help you much as build costs are unique for every property. £250 isn't a huge amount to cough up when you're willing to pay say £3000-£5000 for the installation. I suspect the £250 fee is there to stop "tyre kickers" (as someone on TBB so eloquently put it lol) wasting Openreach's time.

As for a leased line, forget about it unless you need speed guarantees and quick fix times (SLA). A leased line over the long term will cost you far more than FoD with the huge disadvantage of not being able to use Openreach's FTTP (GPON) network.

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Mar-18 06:42:41)

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

If you are really serious about getting FoD then why not get a proper survey done?

I am serious of wanting FOD but I cannot afford £20,000. I cannot afford £10,000. Money does not grow on trees where I live.

I can afford £2000 which is what I was quoted in January - only two months ago. I would have been happy taking up the quote I was given but I stupidly read all the news articles going up about the February price changes and those news articles made it appear like the price was going to hit rock bottom and I would feel a bit stupid paying £2000 and another £3000 ontop for 3 years worth of internet when everyone else would be paying a fraction of this.Technology improves, people streamline tasks and find ways to drive down costs over time so this added up to me that the prices were going to drop and Openreach would be using this as part of their FTTP rollout plans.

I did not in a million years expect a 10x price increase for a Band B property. I expected the price to increase to around £5000 install costs for my property at the most when people were talking about price hikes. which again I could afford at the absolute highest buidget open to me for this.

I have asked on a topic on the ISPreview forum for people to post what their survey costs come back as in comparison to the desktop assessment before I potentially throw £300 down the drain.

I also suspect Ofcom may get involved in this and force Openreach to reassess the costs. If BT Wholesale can install Fibre to my property as a leased line for £900 and expect me to pay £350 per month internet ontop. Why is it £25,000 for them to install it as FTTPod. The sums do not add up. Its ths same fibre cable after all.

Edited by Anth (Sun 25-Mar-18 11:40:29)

Did you get a survey for the leased line. If not then then there will likely be excess costs on top of the £900 That your provider is charging.

Did you see the way that things change as time goes on in my post...i.e. ROI on installing full fibre is a 5 to 10 year period, leased lines recover it with a higher monthly cost, FoD used to but now front loads it.

The front loading is so high because after the 12 months the only revenue that Openreach can bank on from FoD is £88.80 per year from the 40/10 service which I would bet a lot will downgrade to or £119.40 per year on the 76/20 variant

I would also highlight that it is likely Openreach having installed FoD in a number of places has investigated the costs they incurred and may have found that costs were well in excess of what they would have recovered.

FoD might actually be more expensive to install than a leased line, since a leased line includes no provisions for breakouts or sharing, whereas when building FoD you include splitters and manifolds, this can mean more kit on poles or bigger chambers in the ground.

If fibre installs on demand can be done cheaper then with the duct sharing rules expect to see similar products from Vodafone and TalkTalk, though I would suggest buying a lottery ticket is probably a safer bet.

In that case forget about FoD as there's absolutely no chance of Openreach quoting you the old build costs and only have a minimum term of 12 months on it. I'm sure the bean counters at Openreach would agree with you that money doesn't grow on trees. I highly doubt OFCOM will take any complaints seriously as FoD was never intended to be sold as a mass market product.

MrSaffron warned people in November (see here) not to get too excited but that advice appears to have fallen on deaf ears. I guess when some people saw the new monthly Openreach wholesale pricing for FoD, they became giddy with excitement and any logic was out of the window.

I also suspect Ofcom may get involved in this and force Openreach to reassess the costs.

Why? BT is a private company rather than a charity and has to cover its costs. If you are serious about paying for an FTTP connection then pay the £250 and get a survey carried out and obtain a proper quote.