In reply to a post by MCM:

If you are serious about paying for an FTTP connection then pay the £250 and get a survey carried out and obtain a proper quote.

The OP wants an accurate price from Openreach....without a site survey. Never going to happen in a million years. Ditto for a leased line.

Edited by deleted (Mon 26-Mar-18 08:01:34)

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

The OP wants an accurate price from Openreach....without a site survey. Never going to happen in a million years. Ditto for a leased line.

Under the old banded system you got an (almost always) accurate price. There was the possibility of ECCs, but FluidData told me they'd only ever had one case of ECCs and that was for a band G property. And in any case, if the survey did turn up ECCs, you had the option to cancel at no cost.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Under the old banded system you got an (almost always) accurate price. There was the possibility of ECCs, but FluidData told me they'd only ever had one case of ECCs and that was for a band G property. And in any case, if the survey did turn up ECCs, you had the option to cancel at no cost.

100% correct, as FluidOne also re-assured me that it it would be highly unlikely I would be hit with ECCs after my FoD site survey.

However at this moment we cannot say the same for the new pricing as no-one on here has yet managed to compare confirmed post-survey costs versus desktop survey costs. I imagine FluidOne or Cerberus in X months time will be able to tell you what % of customers were charged ECCs under the new pricing but its probably too early to say right now. At least the £250 survey fee under the new pricing will keep the freeloaders/tyre kickers/Walter Mittys at bay

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

At least the £250 survey fee under the new pricing will keep the freeloaders/tyre kickers/Walter Mittys at bay

I love the way how you are calling people unwilling and unable to afford paying £20,000 for a Band b property, or £40,000 plus for Band F and onwards Walter Mitty's.

I feel so puny being in the presence of so many millionaires.

On the old scheme I was going to be charged £1,800 build charge and £160 for 36 months. So a total of £7560 for three years. On the new scheme its £30,000 total for only one year. I do not wish to pay someone for price fixing this.

Anyone would feel a bit cheated at this and refuse to go along. This is not just frontloading the costs, if it was I'd be paying £5000 for the build given I still need to pay for a years FTTP.

In reply to a post by Anth:

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

At least the £250 survey fee under the new pricing will keep the freeloaders/tyre kickers/Walter Mittys at bay

I love the way how you are calling people unwilling and unable to afford paying £20,000 for a Band b property, or £40,000 plus for Band F and onwards Walter Mitty's.

I feel so puny being in the presence of so many millionaires.

On the old scheme I was going to be charged £1,800 build charge and £160 for 36 months. So a total of £7560 for three years. On the new scheme its £30,000 total for only one year. I do not wish to pay someone for price fixing this.

Anyone would feel a bit cheated at this and refuse to go along. This is not just frontloading the costs, if it was I'd be paying £5000 for the build given I still need to pay for a years FTTP.

No-one is asking you to pay £20k or £40k for the survey. As no-one at present knows for sure if the desktop price is realistic or not, the only way to get a firm cost is to get a survey done @ £250 - which comes off your build costs if you go ahead. Why is that so hard for you to understand? You somehow seem to think the price (20k) you've been quoted initially is set in stone....its not!!

Edited by deleted (Mon 26-Mar-18 10:04:01)

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by Anth:

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

At least the £250 survey fee under the new pricing will keep the freeloaders/tyre kickers/Walter Mittys at bay

I love the way how you are calling people unwilling and unable to afford paying £20,000 for a Band b property, or £40,000 plus for Band F and onwards Walter Mitty's.

I feel so puny being in the presence of so many millionaires.

On the old scheme I was going to be charged £1,800 build charge and £160 for 36 months. So a total of £7560 for three years. On the new scheme its £30,000 total for only one year. I do not wish to pay someone for price fixing this.

Anyone would feel a bit cheated at this and refuse to go along. This is not just frontloading the costs, if it was I'd be paying £5000 for the build given I still need to pay for a years FTTP.

No-one is asking you to pay £20k or £40k for the survey. As no-one at present knows for sure if the desktop price is realistic or not, the only way to get a firm cost is to get a survey done @ £250 - which comes off your build costs if you go ahead. Why is that so hard for you to understand? You somehow seem to think the price (20k) you've been quoted initially is set in stone....its not!!

I would expect real surveys to come out somewhere in the ballpark of the desktop quote. They have to, otherwise once a few people get the £250 surveys done and the quotes drop to reasonable <£5k quotes, word will get out pretty quick making the desktop surveys entirely pointless and redundant.

In reply to a post by killsta:

I would expect real surveys to come out somewhere in the ballpark of the desktop quote. They have to, otherwise once a few people get the £250 surveys done and the quotes drop to reasonable <£5k quotes, word will get out pretty quick making the desktop surveys entirely pointless and redundant.

Yes you would think the initial quotation would be very similar to the confirmed cost - as it was under the old distance based pricing regime. However the build costs under the new pricing model appear to be based on more factors than just distance to nearest agg node so is probably more complicated. Openreach themselves have admitted there are issues with the new system of estimates:

from https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/03/expens...

Quote from Openreach

We do have some work to do on getting the estimates to be closer to the expected quote, as there are a number of situations where we know this generates high estimates.

Edited by deleted (Mon 26-Mar-18 10:39:55)

It looks a bit as though the desk map-based survey is being carried out by some untrained student on work experience.

I'd be happy to go in once a week to Openreach Towers to process all these request for the appropriate fee