In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

In reply to a post by Sammm_:

I am in a similar situation to you. Over 500 flats connected to the Pimlico Exchange are on EO lines and i was quoted £4.7k for an FTTP Build. Back in 2016 the Openreach checker said that we were in plans for FTTP. After a few months, It went back to exploring solutions and it has been there ever since. Hyperoptic (will) connect over 4 buildings which are within 30 meters. One of them being the Private portion of my buidling which share the same basement, courtyard and has a similar layout to mine. They seem to ignore all my emails now for some reason. You should be happy that even with FTTC you will be able to get superfast speeds and the possibility of G.fast in the future.

I don't even mind contributing some of the money for FTTP. My building is 20 floors total 82 flats. I have been waiting for more than 5+ years just to get FTTC from BT which I have not had it. I was super excited when I saw the checker change to "In plan for FTTP" I thought I was hallucinating when I saw that 4 months ago!

But now I feel betrayed because it has been reverted back for a plan to get superfast fibre 4 months later after the initial plan. This is not fair because after waiting for so many years on EO line without FTTC. It would've been considered as justice if Openreach jumped on and installed FTTP. But now even if I get FTTC that would be an insult and disrespect when there are so many talks and articles promising that FTTP will come.

If BT Openreach can't cover the entire exchanges as part of their Fibre First Programme we will be looking for another possible 10-15 years before they cover 100% of the areas. Hence why I say this 50% FTTP coverage by 2025 is an absolute nonsense! It will never happen at this rate of speed! Just covering the entire 8 City of London exchanges will take years nevermind getting 100% coverage for the entire UK by 2033.

Btw Hyperoptic are interested to install in my building as I previously noted here. I'm a Hyperoptic Champion of my building where I managed to convince around 30 residents to register their interest within 6 months back in February 2015. Since then we have been stuck with wayleave. The Building Manager told me that his Technical Manager does not want to proceed with an agreement with Hyperoptic! They said if they want to make an agreement for Fibre they'll do it with another provider, not Hyperoptic. This is quite simply a pathetic excuse because I know my Building authority will not grant wayleave whichever provider offered to install their Fibre service. But I wanted to experiment and see if they would accept BT's FTTP offer which unfortunately doesn't seem to happen either.

I spoke to 3 Hyperoptic Representatives who tried to even offer to organise a meeting with the authority in an email correspondence. But the Building Managers didn't even respond to the emails. I have not tried to speak to the Technical Manager yet, but I am thinking about speaking to him directly to see if that would have any positive effect as the main Housing Estate Manager seems to be useless.

Who pays the building manager? Don't you leaseholders ultimately pay them to manage the building affairs on your behalf? They work for you surely, not the other way around.

Can you not get a signed petition together with the other lease-holders who want Hyperoptic and present it as a letter of demand to the building management.

Get a meeting organised with management and don't be fobbed off.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

But now even if I get FTTC that would be an insult and disrespect when there are so many talks and articles promising that FTTP will come.

Not sure why you think getting potentially 80/20 Mbps on FTTC is an "insult"? I think you've got to rein in your expectations. Just because Openreach have announced their nationwide commercial 'Fibre First' rollout doesn't mean its going to be rolled out to all and sundry overnight. It will take a lot of planning and decisions will be made and changed depending on variable factors such on budgets, wayleave permissions etc. Best thing to do, is to accept that Openreach are working on bringing faster broadband to your area whether its FTTP or FTTC, but its hardly the end of the world if its the latter and you are reasonably close to the cabinet.

Alternatively, if you're willing to pay then consider a leased line as being in central London, leased lines might be very competitively priced.

Edited by deleted (Wed 25-Jul-18 17:22:25)

No

Even in rural areas only 1 exchange, Sutton in West Sussex seems to be all FTTP.

Bishopgate has some 19 cabinets serving VDSL2 already, so was never likely to be all FTTP anyway. Also plenty of exchange only lines.

Generally every area is dealt with individually by the bean counters and planners and areas that hit a wayleave issue for FTTP can easily fall back to FTTC, or it could be due to nature of old network and EO lines, some are directly buried so ducting needed for FTTP i.e. increasing cost/disruption

This needs stating... the 50% by 2025 is not an Openreach goal, but a total from all the various FTTP operators.

Openreach is saying 3 million FTTP by end of 2020 and if regulatory environment and market is right another 10 million by 2025. Which is below 50%, so a 50% goal was always going to rely on what other providers do.

Flats needs permission from building owner, and it may be that this was a stumbling block.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Who pays the building manager? Don't you leaseholders ultimately pay them to manage the building affairs on your behalf? They work for you surely, not the other way around.

Can you not get a signed petition together with the other lease-holders who want Hyperoptic and present it as a letter of demand to the building management.

Get a meeting organised with management and don't be fobbed off.

This is the problem I have. There are 50 leaseholders but most of them live faraway and only use the Building to rent out for property business. There are very few leaseholders, I guess around 10-15 or so who permanently live in the building. Now I don't know precisely all of them.

The last time there was a leaseholder's meeting which only 3 leaseholders turned up. It was general sort of meeting about building maintenance works. Mostly a discussion relating to fire safety of cladding, etc. I did not mention Fibre at that meeting because the Technical Manager wasn't there and I thought well if their primary focus is now fire safety of the building maybe it's not the right time to discuss fibre.

We've got Fire Wardens patrolling the building 24/7 and this fire safety issue following Grenfell Tower incident has meant that the brains of the Managers are pre-occupied with Fire Safety obsession. They cannot think anything else, their minds simply aren't focused on Fibre as they view that as a luxury rather than a priority. I'm just trying to be patient and wait for the Fire Safety matter to be resolved as we can see just this itself is enough to delay wayleave permissions for many buildings with cladding where Managers are busy sorting out Fire Safety. This is another one of those poor administrations from the government. Because as the Tories are distracted with Brexit they can't even sort out Fire Safety as an issue. It is a chain-reaction.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

No

Even in rural areas only 1 exchange, Sutton in West Sussex seems to be all FTTP.

Bishopgate has some 19 cabinets serving VDSL2 already, so was never likely to be all FTTP anyway. Also plenty of exchange only lines.

Generally every area is dealt with individually by the bean counters and planners and areas that hit a wayleave issue for FTTP can easily fall back to FTTC, or it could be due to nature of old network and EO lines, some are directly buried so ducting needed for FTTP i.e. increasing cost/disruption

Yes, there are 19 cabinets and there are many who have FTTC under the Bishopsgate Exchange. But the fact remains that if 95% of the UK has FTTC supported and that I am one of the 5% of the people who have yet to get FTTC I would expect that BT Openreach would try to cover 5% of the Bishopsgate Exchange particularly those with EO lines with FTTP. If FTTP is their target plan I would think it would be sensible and rational to try and support those who don't even have FTTC to begin with. At least this is going to expand the overall footprint of people accessing superfast broadband speeds. It is also beneficial for the national broadband statistical rank.

To be honest I doubt BT Openreach will install FTTC in my area either. I've spoken to them via email 4 months ago and they said they have no exact date of completion but they need to install another 2 green cabinets which they say takes time and money. Because I am 800 meters from Bishopsgate Exchange. That would mean in theory I would only get maximum 28Mbps which is pointless.

I understand that it wouldn't make sense to upgrade FTTC customers to FTTP, but I would expect that people with no FTTC to get FTTP.
Otherwise who is going to be upgraded with FTTP from the Bishopsgate exchange? If it's only new builds then it is pointless for BT to even mention that as a Fibre First Programme. Naturally new builds are meant to be upgraded with FTTP directly.

What about Deddington in Oxfordshire ?

There was talk some years back of that exchange going FTTP only ...

... mind you, I expect regulatory compliance means Openreach have to maintain a copper network so as LLU types can flog their wares.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

Because I am 800 meters from Bishopsgate Exchange. That would mean in theory I would only get maximum 28Mbps which is pointless.

Are you on an EO line? If so, then if you were to get FTTC, Openreach would most likely build a new AIO cabinet which would not be located inside your exchange. However as you are quite close to your exchange already, Openreach may decide to plonk the new cabinet directly outside the exchange - as they have done at some exchanges, eg NSIMD.

Last time I looked there was still some areas that needed the FTTP if I recall

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

It is also the case that the checker does go throw some odd states in various areas.

So have seen FTTP areas drop to saying nothing and actual FTTP arrive, and in other cases the message situation the poster has seen happen.

Oh I agree, but the FTTP is here due to I have it and our fibre daisy chains through the other hardware back to the Splitter, all engineers that have taken a look all say its all completed and its just waiting to be commissioned and then turned on.

Sadly BT on the phone and BTOR via Twitter have done checks on the system (i.e. software side of things) and have said there is no FTTP hardware here.

But when I pass on photos of all the FTTP hardware and the phone pole ID they then say that something isn't right and thanks me for the information and say they will pass this information on.

But nothing came of this so now everyone else (lower side of my road) apart from people on my phone pole were downgraded to FTTC, which is a lot better than the speeds we all got on ADSL2+.

Where as lines on our phone pole and the top half of our road all have FTTP.

TBH I think departments are not talking to each other which is causing all this miss information all over the place.

Paul

OK, thank you.