@j0hn83: Yes, I had 1Mbps from Tiscali in 2004 lol. But at that time FTTC or Fibre didn't exist here in the UK so it didn't bother us. This was the best technological speed available back then.

While I get decent ADSL speeds at 16.60Mbps the noise margins are low so the connection drops. I can only get stable connection at 12Mbps currently and so far 19 days up time. That is the reliability I get roughly 20-50 days the connection is stable at a lower sync speed. And then suddenly DLM decides to kick in and resync my router speed again to 15-16Mbps which my line cannot cope and drops me back down to 12Mbps until again stable for a few weeks. That's how I live for the last 5-10 years. Internet connection has never been perfectly stable here for more than 56 days or so at a time.

I'm afraid that this problem might carry on with FTTC. So even like you previously said you get 46Mbps at 1022 meter line you might be lucky to have a stable line. I personally don't know how stable my line will be at 644 meters from the Hanbury Street Cabinet and whether my connection will need to be once again capped to lower before the connection is stable without drop-out. High rise buildings are a curse and may have problems which is why I wanted FTTP for the benefit of the doubt. I will have to wait and see whether this new FTTC will solve the problem.
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@MrSaffron: I mentioned 3% because the articles says that more than 97% of Bristol have access to FTTC. By this logic I was assuming that the less than 3% that do not have FTTC in Bristol will be upgraded with FTTP by Fibre First programme. My assumptions may be incorrect.

Regarding my building you're right, indeed I may have to wait many years if my building authority doesn't do anything about it. I spoke to my building estate manager about 8 months ago when he called me on the phone telling me no plans for Fibre at this stage while he spoke to his Technical Services Manager. I asked him "when, after another 10-15 years?" He laughed and told me "no it will be earlier than that, just give us some more time to finish other works in the building first like Fire Safety issues with cladding and then we will think about Fibre."

Anyway, it's most probably 2030 or later for Openreach to upgrade FTTC to FTTP. Until then in the meantime I can still try and chase my authority every once in a while to try and convince them to grant wayleave to Hyperoptic.

Your assumptions on Bristol are wrong, since already seeing some areas with FTTC gaining FTTP - small at present but it is happening

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

I'm afraid that this problem might carry on with FTTC.

What makes you think the Sky LLU DLM is used on FTTC services?

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Your assumptions on Bristol are wrong, since already seeing some areas with FTTC gaining FTTP - small at present but it is happening

Ok, but that's not good to know. What most of us wanted was for BT OR to prioritise FTTP for people who do not have FTTC in the first place! That was what I was afraid of, I don't want to see people who already have FTTC last decade or so get an upgrade to FTTP before the rest. While people like me who have waited all these years just to get FTTC instead that's a little bit painful to swallow.

If we are talking about Fibre First with the initial 8 urban cities. FTTP should be prioritised for the first 3 million with no FTTC, this would have expanded access to Fibre coverage to a greater percentage in the UK and would've improved the UK broadband speed statistics.

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In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

I'm afraid that this problem might carry on with FTTC.

What makes you think the Sky LLU DLM is used on FTTC services?

I don't know... I thought DLM is also used on FTTC due to copper, or am I mistaken? If that's not the case then I might have some hope.

On ADSLx the BT Wholesale-based ISPs are subject to the BT Wholesale DLM. On Sky, TalkTalk, Vodafone and any other LLU it is the DLM that each of those has.

On FTTC it is always Openreach DLM that controls the line, though the ISPs can request a few settings such as priority (Speed, Stable Superstable. Maybe that's Speed, Standard, Stable - comes to the same thing).

For BT Wholesale based ISPs on FTTC, the BT Wholesale IP Profile is also applied. The others must also apply some control as they are required not to allow traffic (including the packet overheads) to reach the DSLAM at above the sync rate.

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In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

Anyway, it's most probably 2030 or later for Openreach to upgrade FTTC to FTTP. Until then in the meantime I can still try and chase my authority every once in a while to try and convince them to grant wayleave to Hyperoptic.

As previously mentioned the FTTP overbuild is already happening, and G.fast is dependent on FTTC being present.

Just move - if you're in Central London you can probably buy half a town with the proceeds from whichever person is dumb enough to pay the insane prices for the property

Is Openreach FTTP for Apartment Buildings actually fibre to each flat ? I cant imagine them spending extra to route fibre to each flat. Do they just route ethernet cables from a node on a floor or the basement to the flats ?

Openreach FTTP in apartments is fibre actually to each flat

OpenReach don't have a FTTB product.
There's VDSL2/G.Fast with fibre as far as the cabinet or FTTP with fibre right to the property.
There's certainly no consumer product inbetween.

While it's technically possible for OpenReach to run multiple lines from a single fibre without degrading the service (you can purchase x4 separate FTTP orders on their older 4 port ONT's) I've never heard of them deploying FTTP in this way.

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In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

Anyway, it's most probably 2030 or later for Openreach to upgrade FTTC to FTTP. Until then in the meantime I can still try and chase my authority every once in a while to try and convince them to grant wayleave to Hyperoptic.

As previously mentioned the FTTP overbuild is already happening, and G.fast is dependent on FTTC being present.

Just move - if you're in Central London you can probably buy half a town with the proceeds from whichever person is dumb enough to pay the insane prices for the property

Right, but this FTTP overbuild will still require wayleave consent from building owners/managers. This is why I'm highly sceptical about the UK jumping to 50% FTTP by 2025 from current 4%. It seems quite ambitious even if you are to include all other FTTP Altnet providers.

Selling a property and moving elsewhere just for Fibre is also not rational. There are other very important factors to consider. Balcony, size of living room, bedroom, separate toilet and bathroom vs combined. Open plan kitchen vs Closed kitchen with doors.

E.g. JLL emailed me to try and convince me to buy Craig Tower, 1 Aqua Vista Square - E3 1 Bedroom for £350,000 in Westferry, London. It has Fibre to the Premises from both BT Openreach and Hyperoptic!

But the drawbacks are far greater. If you look at the photos of that property you'll see Living Room is small like a lift, it's open plan kitchen which is not good if you are cooking a smelly food I'd want it closed. The toilet and bathroom is combined an absolute NO, NO. One person wants to go to the toilet for example but the other one is taking a bath/shower. It's going to cause inconveniences.

Majority of the newly built buildings are also made out of glass. Now it may look good looking but it is prone to cold temperatures in the winter and also requires more cleaning. Oh and I'm not allowed to install an individual satellite dish due to safety matters so you are dependent on a communal one!

While on the other hand my flat has separate toilet and bathroom, closed kitchen with doors, large balcony, large living room, 2 large bedrooms. Cladding so it is warm in the winter and I can install my dish to catch European channels without requiring permission.

My job location as a Designer is within 20 minutes walk to Shoreditch. Move elsewhere and I'll have to pay transport such as bus/train and job opportunities outside Central London are limited.

So the bottom line is you may get FTTP naively elsewhere but factors in your property may be regarded far more important and the person who buys a new flat will realise this if he/she is emotionally trapped by FTTP as a means of buying that property which would be a big mistake.

Once you sell your present property and move elsewhere and if you're not happy with other factors in your new property, it is game over. You can't change your mind and come back.