I Think if you look at all the postcodes Cab5 covers it will be far more than 400.

The 82 flats in your building would be far more than the cab can cope with.

There are likely to be other cabs to be fitted on Bishopsgate ( Or FTTP where landlords and buildings are amenable) as it was nearly all EO so just keep watching and waiting but due to the size of the exchange there will be many cabs to be fitted and due to he size of each building a cab will only cover 5-8 buildings.

In reply to a post by kitcat:

I Think if you look at all the postcodes Cab5 covers it will be far more than 400.

The 82 flats in your building would be far more than the cab can cope with.

There are likely to be other cabs to be fitted on Bishopsgate ( Or FTTP where landlords and buildings are amenable) as it was nearly all EO so just keep watching and waiting but due to the size of the exchange there will be many cabs to be fitted and due to he size of each building a cab will only cover 5-8 buildings.

Ok so now this is what you're telling me! After arguing all this time last few months of this potential issue and MrSaffron was also asking me why I was thinking about cabinets supporting only 82 lines. I was concerned and I knew this was going to be an issue. Now reading this has just made me even more angry because my pessimism has once again proven to be correct.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Why do you think VDSL2 cabinets can only support 82 lines? Maximum is 384 actual live VDSL2 connections.

If you are the only one wanting FTTP you might even be the only one who orders VDSL2 once available.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Stop worrying about capacity.
They install AIO (all in one) cabinets less and less as they can only hold 128 lines max.

You will likely have a PCP and FTTC combo. No idea why you think this is limited to 384 lines also.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/bt-op...

A possible 672 FTTC lines there.

If we are to divide 384 lines to 80 flats on average per building that would be around 4-5 residential buildings to a single cabinet.

Take up rates are not as high as you appear to think.
They will be even less with 12-16Mb ADSL available.

They don't install cabinets with the intention of every home taking the service. Far far from it.
If take up exceeds expectations they can increase capacity by adding larger line cards (to 384 lines) then they can drop a whole new cabinet.

Lots of 288 line Huawei cabinets that are installed in my area serve 600-900 properties. That's with 2-3Mb ADSL available in this area.

I have strong intuitions. I knew capacity is an issue and it will remain that way. Until BT Openreach don't get their act together most people will be stuck without any form of Fibre for another decade. With this FTTC backward mentality that BT OR have we will be lagging behind the rest of Europe with the lowest levels of Fibre coverage from any G20 nation. The UK has only 5% FTTP. Some of us like myself have been waiting last 10+ years just to get FTTC because I have little hope in BT achieving their FTTP ambitions.

Hyperoptic and some other Altnet providers are our only hope. But as I have said on numerous occasions the Building Management team have no consideration whatsoever to listen to our complaints. They don't live in my building so they don't care about our internet service.

The only way we can sort out wayleave issues with Fibre Broadband is if the government implements a mandatory law where Fibre wayleave agreement must occur. There is a law where if our Satellite TV aerial signal goes down and it's not fixed we could take legal action against our management teams and take them to court. But such law does not exist for broadband internet yet and until this does not happen just hoping on the discretion of some ^kind^ management team will do little to help the UK achieve 100% FTTP coverage by 2033.

Now you understand why I was raging few days ago about the Hanbury Street cabinet! Even after it is finally installed it will not connect to my building and now I have to wait again in the dark to see when they'll install their next cabinet.

Until BT Openreach don't get their act together most people will be stuck without any form of Fibre for another decade.

BT have got their act together however I'm less sure about yourself.

Rather than rant about BT, read why the installation of FTTP has been so slow and you will discover the reason is not down to BT but rather political. BT is also a company answerable to its shareholders rather than a charity and where and what it installs is governed by the return it might expect to receive from its investment. The good news however is that the take up of VDSL is running above BT's earlier assumptions meaning that PCPs that previously might not have been thought to commercially viable to upgrade could now be considered viable. Likewise for installing PCPs or AIO cabs on EO clusters.

OMG DUDE [censored]! IT'S NOT A CAPACITY ISSUE!
They can add BIGGER cabinets, 2nd cabinets, cabinet expansions.

Your street is not planned to be on this cabinet. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

Stop being so petty and whiny and blaming everything on Openreach.
Curious though, why blame Openreach?

Why is it not Virgin Medias fault? I don't see you mention them rolling out to nearby streets.

Why is it Openreachs fault your building management company refuse to allow FTTP to be rolled out to your building?

If a poster wants to boast about where he/she works and then makes inflammatory and insulting comments on a public forum, how long is it before those higher up in the workplace start investigating whether such comments bring the company into disrepute and are liable for disciplinary action?

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

OMG DUDE [censored]! IT'S NOT A CAPACITY ISSUE!
They can add BIGGER cabinets, 2nd cabinets, cabinet expansions.

Your street is not planned to be on this cabinet. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

Stop being so petty and whiny and blaming everything on Openreach.
Curious though, why blame Openreach?

Why is it not Virgin Medias fault? I don't see you mention them rolling out to nearby streets.

Why is it Openreachs fault your building management company refuse to allow FTTP to be rolled out to your building?

We had this long conversation over the last few months, you even convinced me you were getting 46Mbps under a 1022m line. Another poster said he was 110% certain this cabinet will cover my postcode.

So all this time Openreach were giving me the impression that they will connect the Hanbury Street cabinet to my address as shown on the Journey History as I've quoted below from 3 months ago. It is not my fault that I have been misguided! I had hopes and all those hopes were dashed. So of-course I will be whinging!

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

Ok, it's confirmed this Cabinet in Hanbury Street is most probably the one connecting my EO Line to FTTC.

Today I just checked the checker.

Result

CONNECT
We're connecting power to the new fibre cabinet and joining the new fibre lines to the existing copper network.
You can't order a fibre service today but typically it'll be available to your premises within the next four months.
Find out more about the fibre journey.

Exchange name: Bishopsgate
Exchange status: Fibre enabled
Cabinet number: 5
Technology: -

That means the Bishopsgate Exchange Only lines will not be upgraded with FTTP, but will be upgraded to FTTC. Well, I guess this is at least better than no Fibre at all. Just hope the connection is reliable and won't suffer noise margin issues like before...

The reason why BT Openreach get the blame and not the other providers is because they are the ones responsible for over 90% of all leased lines. You only need to read ISP review from other people such as B4RN co-founder Chris Conder who criticises BT Openreach in a much more aggressive tone on a number of her posts saying Fibre does not run on Victorian phone lines.

But nobody criticises her because of her contribution to B4RNs rural FTTP.

But if I post the exact same comments she's made you'll see how biased you all will be here on these forums and will attack me. Maybe some of you are working for BT Openreach and this is why you are being so over-defensive.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/13/fibre_minno...
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/04/ofcom-...
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/12/ofcom_delay...

The same comments I have made on ISP Review and I have had plenty of people sharing the same frustrations and being on my side. Nobody has responded in the same way as some of you here on this thread.

Because most of you are lacking 'empathy' or already have Fibre & you cannot understand the reasons for my reaction.

You appear to be as clueless as ever.

The reason why BT Openreach get the blame and not the other providers is because they are the ones responsible for over 90% of all leased lines.

And what does that have to do with your not having access to faster broadband.

May I make a suggestion. Stick your hand in your pocket and pay for someone to supply what you want. Get the other 80 odd residents in your block to contribute and you may get somewhere.

In your case it seems from your earlier posts on in this thread that both OR and Hyperoptic were willing to install FTTP in your building ( an opportunity very few get) but were both blocked by your buildings management company. That is probably where you should be venting your anger. Perhaps there is another suitable forum for that?

People have tried to help give you information but you often reply in what could be seen as annoyed at them, just because they cannot give you the answer you want and some of that is due to not knowing your exact location.

Without any change in your building managements position, your only fixed line chance seems to be FTTC, and what is odd is your postcode showing up as cabinet 5 when cabinet 5 is live for VDSL2

Sweeping statements on which cabinets and how much will be FTTC and FTTP on the exchange have not helped anyone, as is comments around leased lines which is nothing to do with VDSL2 provisioning.

Frustration is understandable, but from the highs and lows you have expressed over time, some of this may be self induced due to excitement about possibilities that are just that a possibility and not a firm 100% guaranteed commitment to deliver by date dd-mm-yyyy