In reply to a post by Rastus:

You're implying that OAPs don't know much about computers or care about Internet speeds, and I'd agree some don't, but you seem to be satisfied with achieving a download speed of 10mb (presumably per second).

In fairness all the data says its a lot more than 'some'. OAPs are the group most likely not to use a PC/tablet and to not have internet at all and if they do to not have superfast speed even when offered!

@Baby One of the hopes of all the fttc/fttp work is that hopefully the line/route data is getting more accurate so quotes ought to get slowly more accurate and faster to turn around.

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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by dect:

Am interested to know how long it normally takes to get a FTTPod desktop quote from Cerberus?

For my neighbour it took 2 days.

Interesting. Do you mind me asking: given that you already have FTTPoD, how much was your neighbour quoted for FTTPoD?

ISTR that you have the "old-school" FTTPoD, where they only activated a single property rather than the entire DP.

But I would have thought that a second FTTPoD ought to be able to re-use most of the infrastructure, so should be at the very bottom end of the price range.

But I would have thought that a second FTTPoD ought to be able to re-use most of the infrastructure, so should be at the very bottom end of the price range.

Nope. Full price quote.

I'm yet to see a desktop quote drop after new infrastructure has been installed.

In reply to a post by Garlic:

In fairness all the data says its a lot more than 'some'. OAPs are the group most likely not to use a PC/tablet and to not have internet at all and if they do to not have superfast speed even when offered!

Yes there are older folk who are not interested in computers or the internet but there are also lots of youngest who only know how to swipe left or right on their mobile phones and who have zero interpersonal skills.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

In reply to a post by dect:

Am interested to know how long it normally takes to get a FTTPod desktop quote from Cerberus?

For my neighbour it took 2 days.

Interesting. Do you mind me asking: given that you already have FTTPoD, how much was your neighbour quoted for FTTPoD?

ISTR that you have the "old-school" FTTPoD, where they only activated a single property rather than the entire DP.

But I would have thought that a second FTTPoD ought to be able to re-use most of the infrastructure, so should be at the very bottom end of the price range.

My immediate neighbour was quoted £17k from Cerberus (desktop survey). Given the u/g fibre DP (2 port i believe) installed for my FTTPoD line is almost on his doorstep (<20m), we were expecting the quote to be considerably less, ie less than £2k. It would be insane for Openreach not to make use of existing FTTP infrastructure, even those on legacy FTTPod builds. Anyway Mr Neighbour decided not to proceed, as he didn't want to risk losing £250 in case he pulled out (he's a tight git).

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Garlic:

In fairness all the data says its a lot more than 'some'. OAPs are the group most likely not to use a PC/tablet and to not have internet at all and if they do to not have superfast speed even when offered!

Yes there are older folk who are not interested in computers or the internet but there are also lots of youngest who only know how to swipe left or right on their mobile phones and who have zero interpersonal skills.

(Chuckles) while I sympathise with the swipe left I wasn't making an attack simple saying what the data says.

If OAPs had takeup rates as high as other groups many more exchanges would be economically viable/hit a clawback threshold or make fttp more viable/cost effective generally. Obviously this will correct itself with time on its own but for now its an issue!

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

My immediate neighbour was quoted £17k from Cerberus (desktop survey). Given the u/g fibre DP (2 port i believe) installed for my FTTPoD line is almost on his doorstep (<20m), we were expecting the quote to be considerably less, ie less than £2k. It would be insane for Openreach not to make use of existing FTTP infrastructure, even those on legacy FTTPod builds. Anyway Mr Neighbour decided not to proceed, as he didn't want to risk losing £250 in case he pulled out (he's a tight git).

Ha At least it confirms that the desktop process doesn't take into account detailed records or recent infrastructure.

There was a case where someone got a desktop quote of £34K, but went ahead anyway because they were sure there was a fibre aggregation node right next to the building. The final quote was £2,466.

My point wasn't concerning what percentage of OAPs are computer illiterate, it was the irony of the person making the claim showing his/her own infallibility.

In reply to a post by Garlic:

I wasn't making an attack simple saying what the data says.

If OAPs had takeup rates as high as other groups many more exchanges would be economically viable/hit a clawback threshold or make fttp more viable/cost effective generally.

As an assumption your most likely to be right (never thought it was an attack) but I won't be telling the youngest in my family that its my age that's preventing Openreach from rolling out FTTP in our area

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

My immediate neighbour was quoted £17k from Cerberus (desktop survey). Given the u/g fibre DP (2 port i believe) installed for my FTTPoD line is almost on his doorstep (<20m), we were expecting the quote to be considerably less, ie less than £2k. [..] Anyway Mr Neighbour decided not to proceed, as he didn't want to risk losing £250 in case he pulled out (he's a tight git).

He should have kept on!
I had a Band-E (old school) FTTPod install. They installed an 8-port DP on a pole near me.
One of my neighbours got a quote from cerebus, not sure what the desktop was but the surveyor quote was £1000.
Now another neighbour is doing it too.

Since I was Band E there's no way that the new figure isn't based off the fact the DP exists from may install.