"'dramatic increase in costs' in connecting us the the fibre backbone" could be a problem further upstream. That is, they still need to get the other end of that aerial cable back to a live fibre aggregation node.

I think we need some pics, a map and some postcodes so we can probe, as this isn't making sense. We don't know if neighbouring properties are now fttp enabled.

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I think we need some pics, a map and some postcodes so we can probe, as this isn't making sense. We don't know if neighbouring properties are now fttp enabled.

Sorry, no local properties are fibre enabled. We are on the Field exchange (WMFIE). There is a single Cabinet just outside the Exchange.

My postcode is ST18 0EJ - we are literally the last properties served by this exchange in this direction.

We have Fibre and Fibre Joints on poles - thats really my point. To have got this far I suppose there must be something major upstream to have escalated costs.

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Originally done at the beginning of 2018 Feb/March.

Nearest fibre is at the end of the road 200m away.

ok i'm confused here. Can those on the "b" road order fttp ? and only you can't because the poles to your house are on your own land?

No-one on the B-road can order Fibre. I'd give Openreach a wayleave in a heartbeat if that was the problem.

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Andrew may be right. When was the original survey done? I know from personal experience of the rollout in my area that OR catastrophically miscalculated the costs. How close is the fibre on the poles to you now are we talking yards here if so thats puzzling? (Poles are usually clearly marked)

Originally done at the beginning of 2018 Feb/March.

Nearest fibre is at the end of the road 200m away.

Hmm.. Assuming thats fibre terminating to a property or a joint (not just passing as a cable to somewhere else) I can't think of a good reason why if its that close on the pole you won't get fttp (eventually) Plenty of short term reasons perhaps but thats just not a difficult job. How many additional properties would be added if it extended in your direction. It could be a backhaul capacity issue esp on a ECI headend

(Such a recent survey should have an accurate understanding the rollout costs today which some of the earlier surveys weren't)

There are about 24 properties (farms and houses) in this little area

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Originally done at the beginning of 2018 Feb/March.

Nearest fibre is at the end of the road 200m away.

Hmm.. Assuming thats fibre terminating to a property or a joint (not just passing as a cable to somewhere else) I can't think of a good reason why if its that close on the pole you won't get fttp (eventually) Plenty of short term reasons perhaps but thats just not a difficult job. How many additional properties would be added if it extended in your direction. It could be a backhaul capacity issue esp on a ECI headend

(Such a recent survey should have an accurate understanding the rollout costs today which some of the earlier surveys weren't)

There are about 24 properties (farms and houses) in this little area

Well. The 'fibre' on the polls is just the cable that takes the fibre not the fibre itself which has to be blown afterwards. Where is the nearest place that actually has fibre enabled? According to OR the exchange itself is fibre enabled; there probably is a live fibre joint closer to you than that.

24 properties sounds just the sort of number that OR have been doing FTTP rather than building a cabinet and giving FTTC. (The cabinet/power costs are high for such small numbers) If nothing is closer than 7k fibre enabled that would concern me more although having done so much work already from the sounds of it OR might have gone past the point of no return regardless. (At least on the checkers you're still on project for fttp but they can be out of date)

Assuming they have done the poles then they can't have failed them and be waiting for new polls down the route and wayleaves sounds unlikely for the same reason they have a route (assuming they have put the fibre cables on an existing route back towards the exchange)

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Hmm.. Assuming thats fibre terminating to a property or a joint (not just passing as a cable to somewhere else) I can't think of a good reason why if its that close on the pole you won't get fttp (eventually) Plenty of short term reasons perhaps but thats just not a difficult job. How many additional properties would be added if it extended in your direction. It could be a backhaul capacity issue esp on a ECI headend

(Such a recent survey should have an accurate understanding the rollout costs today which some of the earlier surveys weren't)

There are about 24 properties (farms and houses) in this little area

Well. The 'fibre' on the polls is just the cable that takes the fibre not the fibre itself which has to be blown afterwards. Where is the nearest place that actually has fibre enabled? According to OR the exchange itself is fibre enabled; there probably is a live fibre joint closer to you than that.

24 properties sounds just the sort of number that OR have been doing FTTP rather than building a cabinet and giving FTTC. (The cabinet/power costs are high for such small numbers) If nothing is closer than 7k fibre enabled that would concern me more although having done so much work already from the sounds of it OR might have gone past the point of no return regardless. (At least on the checkers you're still on project for fttp but they can be out of date)

Assuming they have done the poles then they can't have failed them and be waiting for new polls down the route and wayleaves sounds unlikely for the same reason they have a route (assuming they have put the fibre cables on an existing route back towards the exchange)

Yeah thanks. I guess its just back to waiting and hoping the Superfast Project Manager finds out why the costs have gone up so much. We are supposedly on track according to the checkers but I have a feeling that there is something in the works that is contentious. The Superfast PM told me that even with pooling domestic grants and going down the Community Partnership route, there wouldn't be enough money to connect us.

Its puzzling. Not that OR might change its mind or that areas can go in and out of plan after costs change. But by your explanation they seem to have done too much work to change their mind now. Perhaps they have badly overspent elsewhere.

Fibre on poles, or just black tubing with a yellow stripe?

The later is fairly cheap tubing can be placed on poles quickly and still needs a fibre splicer and blower to visit at a later date, and if there is 4km of fibre to be done back to the aggregation node then it only needs one problem to delay things, or to hit targets leave the cheap stuff orphaned for a year or two and go do some simpler stuff elsewhere.

Exchange area has a little bit of FTTP available on Hill Lane

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Fibre on poles, or just black tubing with a yellow stripe?

The later is fairly cheap tubing can be placed on poles quickly and still needs a fibre splicer and blower to visit at a later date, and if there is 4km of fibre to be done back to the aggregation node then it only needs one problem to delay things, or to hit targets leave the cheap stuff orphaned for a year or two and go do some simpler stuff elsewhere.

Exchange area has a little bit of FTTP available on Hill Lane

Well every pole has a little yellow sticker saying 'Caution: Fibre Overhead' and there are these Fibre Joints every 3 or 4 poles.