Before people get used to the line that no-one is buying G.fast so its useless, at this time in areas where VDSL2 at decent speeds is available you can say the same for FTTP.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

When BDUK FTTC was rolled out to remote and supposedly "non-viable" areas, Openreach seemed to be surprised at take-up rates of 60%+. In retrospect, it should have been obvious that anyone who has been putting up with <2Mbps on ADSL is bound to jump at the chance of FTTC. People close to the exchange already getting 16-24Mbps on ADSL 2+ were the ones least likely to upgrade.

It should have been obvious in advance let alone retrospect. BT where similarly spectacularly wrong about the original ADSL rollout. It is why a rational person does not believe a single word coming out of BT on economic viability of deploying any broadband technology. They have a demonstrated track record of being utterly incompetent in this area.

Similarly if you are only getting 20Mbps on VDSL you are more likely to upgrade to a FTTP connection than someone already getting a solid 80/20. Which is why G.fast is really a waste of time for the most part.

In reply to a post by lockyatlrg:

G.fast just seems like a complete waste of time and money to me?

Openreach largely agree but the politics made it worthwhile.

They should really have abandoned G.fast when they decided not to put them closer to houses.

The copper network is already crumbling to the point we have DLM managing FTTC lines. G.fast puts even more strain on the copper network so if the line quality isn't of a certain standard then predicted speeds are an educated guess at best probably based off line length.

The difference between G.fast and FTTP is night and day, like comparing an abacus to a calculator.

So I've not got round to swapping back to the EE router, but judging by the BT Wholesale speed test, my ip profile is 109.15mb. My BQM shows some pretty lousy spikes around 8-10pm for the last few days and I'm beginning to regret making the change. The engineer mentioned trying the other pair if I had issues. I take it I'm going to have to call EE and beg them to send someone with Clue 1 out? If he can't sort it I'm going to ask if I can drop down to VDSL.

Hi

The lack of take-up of FTTP is largely down to lack of advertising or clarity to the end user that it is available and the benefits it brings.

For years people have been sold "Fibre broadband" when it's not, a lot of my friends and family think they already have fibre, explaining they haven't got fibre is often met with disbelief. So how do you market FTTP?

I think the industry has little appetite for getting customers to move to FTTP, for one, they have to now somehow admit the products they have been selling as "Fibre" are nothing of the sort, second, speeds are generally fast enough for a large majority of people. Also with churn in the industry, its easier to attract customers from other providers with money off offers and "our best ever Wi-Fi" if the customer has the path of least effort and so don't have to be home for kit to be installed (as they would for FTTP initially), and there are far fewer support issues switching a customer from one VDSL provider to another. For an ISP, what incentive is there to offer FTTP when it becomes available for the customer just to keep on the same product speeds of say 80/20 and paying a similar price?

The numbers of FTTP connections that are live currently are largely made up of new builds, where FTTP will have been promoted by the sales office, and in many cases is the only option as there is no copper.

Openreach are busy passing as many properties as possible for FTTP, but even they don't have the appetite at this time for actually going the full 100% and connecting each house up, they'd father that be a slow trickle at this time so they can concentrate on just passing properties, and actually connecting all those homes and the eventual removal of copper is a problem for later. It will be many years before the industry is actively getting people to move to FTTP, as they are just waiting for the application or the change in how we use the Internet to make it something people will need to buy and pay a premium for the faster speeds.

Regards

Phil

Edited by deleted (Wed 20-Mar-19 07:57:02)

Hopefully once the majority of the larger resellers of BT wholesale products get on board and start selling the FTTP product (where available) there can be a real push to sell the full fibre product rather than the copper products even to the point that Openreach refuse to install copper services to properties where full fibre exists, this does mean that equivalent product speeds should be sold for the same price and even a ADSL equivalent speed option is created for FTTP.

[Edit]: would not expect those resellers with ADSL kit in the local exchange to stop selling it

Edited by deleted (Wed 20-Mar-19 08:35:22)

The forced price increase of the FTTP 40/10 service in areas where FTTC 40/10 is available from Ofcom says all you need to know about getting a remove copper switch to fibre programme rolling, i.e. due to aims of encouraging multiple infrastructure platforms a rip out is some years away.

Is this true as I heard if these VDSL Range Clean A on the low estimated range went below 65.9 then there is no chance of having G.fast because of longer length. Anything between 78.6 and 65.9 on the low on VDSL Range Clean A will get guaranteed G.fast.

Edited by adslmax (Wed 20-Mar-19 12:29:07)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Anything between 78.6 and 65.9 on the low on VDSL Range Clean A will get guaranteed G.fast.

No; you don't get "guaranteed" G.fast based on your VDSL speed. You get G.fast availability based on what the checker says is available.

However as a rule-of-thumb, if you get anything less than a full 80 on VDSL your chances of getting G.fast are probably low.