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Standard User mikejp
(committed) Thu 19-Sep-19 19:45:04
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He did, 6 weeks ago (as you can see)...., but has heard nothing yet. My question was, as per my OP,

"The 'last' active pole finishes a few hundred yards from where a friend is trying to get a quote for a group of 18 properties - his, and the rest further along the road.

What is the mechanism involved in this run? Is it simply a case of extending the run along the road from the last pole or is there likely to be some limitation on the number of available fibres?

What is the policy on these County funded runs? Is there any requirement for the (publicly funded) run to be 'extendable'? "

Does anyone know what this 'fibre on poles' is all about?
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 19-Sep-19 20:36:41
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Does a councillor live in any of those already connected?
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Standard User mikejp
(committed) Thu 19-Sep-19 21:13:12
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It had crossed my equally cynical mind............. smile


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Standard User Taras
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 19-Sep-19 21:14:05
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The Openreach version of FTTP uses G-pon, this is a passive fibre infrastructure. Basically up to 32 users share a total bandwidth of 2.5gbits down and 1.25gbits up. Thus it is a contended service, Gpon, also uses splitters and encryption to separate each user's data.

If all of the nodes used up, you can't just extend the fibre, a new splitter has to be added, with up to 18 premises you are looking at, that would be the case.

Note that i've left some bits out which i'm sure others will add in.
Standard User mikejp
(committed) Thu 19-Sep-19 21:42:01
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Thanks for replies, Taras - probably only about 10 properties passed as far as I can see, so a bit in hand.

Interested in the 'mechanics' of this - what sort of cabling starts at the node? How many fibres normally in the bundle? Do your '32' users just use 1 fibre? Does the 'splitter' spawn more fibres - eg 18? Is it fibre to the property or copper ethernet?

If the 'Council' put this distribution in, do they have any say in what happens to it or does it become OR 'property' to market?

Lastly is there any source that covers all my simple questions simply? smile
Standard User Ancient_Mariner
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 19-Sep-19 22:53:39
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As a County Councillor, if this was within my County (Flintshire) and therefore a part contributor to this scheme, I would be looking as to who lived there etc. I would not be happy to find that another Councillor did.

(Within the first couple of weeks of being first elected, I complained to the Council when the first length of road surfacing they carried out was outside our property. It had apparently been scheduled for some time, but certainly gave other council tax payers some ammo!

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Standard User Taras
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 19-Sep-19 23:18:36
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In reply to a post by mikejp:
Thanks for replies, Taras - probably only about 10 properties passed as far as I can see, so a bit in hand.

Interested in the 'mechanics' of this - what sort of cabling starts at the node? How many fibres normally in the bundle? Do your '32' users just use 1 fibre? Does the 'splitter' spawn more fibres - eg 18? Is it fibre to the property or copper ethernet?

If the 'Council' put this distribution in, do they have any say in what happens to it or does it become OR 'property' to market?

Lastly is there any source that covers all my simple questions simply? smile


Fttp is fibre to the property. What you are suggesting can't be done. A new deployment from the aggregative node would have to be more than likely (basically more fibre).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-6LKAPlEyk <---basically how the fibre gets to the house.
Standard User mikejp
(committed) Fri 20-Sep-19 08:26:59
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A very useful video, Taras, thank you. That looks neat.

"What you are suggesting can't be done. A new deployment from the aggregative node would have to be more than likely (basically more fibre) " - not quite sure what I was 'suggesting'? I was asking about the nature of the fibre to the pole itself - is it a single fibre that is then split or are there normally more fibres in the bundle? In other words if more than 32 want the service, does a new fibre need to be started at the node or will there be capacity in the original run to use an unlit fibre?

Lastly, "If the 'Council' put this distribution in, do they have any say in what happens to it or does it become OR 'property' to market? ie how does a County deployment (using public money) of fibre fit into the overall network - will it always be taken over by OR or can another provider use it?
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Fri 20-Sep-19 09:29:46
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My understanding is each fibre is split at the splitter 32 ways for 32 FTTP connections if 33 connections are required an additional fibre and splitter is used.

There are lots of factors you need to understand, like where the ag node is, where the splitter is, how many fibres have been run between the various points in the FTTP infrastructure to determine how much extra work would be required to expand it.

Infrastructure installed by Openreach is the property of Openreach regardless of who funds the work.
Standard User Taras
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 20-Sep-19 09:41:28
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I didn't know if another fibre strand is used or if additional strands are blown, hence why i hadn't replied.
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