In reply to a post by jchamier:

Sounds like a way to force people to use ISP routers. Or abandon home phone.

Well I will be using their Ethernet version of it that gets plugged into one of the LAN Ports, there is no way I am using a BT Hub.

Also how would forcing a customer to use an ISP Router for a voice service work if the voice service is with another provider.

I think an Ethernet based VoIP version would be the best route.

Paul

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

I think an Ethernet based VoIP version would be the best route.

yes. A separate ATA such as Cisco�s offerings would be ideal, but you get the issues of remote management and NAT and QoS then.

A separate VLAN at the OLT would make sense. In the ISP supplied router is horrible for end user choice.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

The ONT is identical to that found in the previous ONT & BBU housing.

Even the Huawei model number is the same, worth noting the new Nokia ONT (rebadged for Openreach) is a 1+0

Could it be that a voice service is seen as an �also ran� .... most people use their mobile for voice entirely now.

Recently moved to FTTP and the copper landline is gone and now on VoIP. There is a port on the ONT but we've just arranged the VoIP ourselves and that port is unused. We have VoIP just to have a 'local' landline number, it gets very little use however.

I agree, I think most people will move to mobiles only come 2025. Even where someone might have no or little mobile signal that is becoming less and less of an issue now as more and more mobiles will do Voice over Wi-Fi, which is basically VoIP. So in that situation getting a VoIP phone gives you nothing extra. If the Internet goes down, you've lost the VoIP phone and any chance of using your mobile as well over Wi-Fi, having the landline will not be the backup it once was. Of course many people aren't going to understand this and will probably end up paying for a service in the belief it is a 'landline' of old.

Regarding NAT and the problems that often brings, well these issues should be disappearing fast with IPv6. Our VoIP connected up to the provider over IPv6, no NAT involved of course. Granted there will be issues for many though, VoIP is nowhere near as straight forward as just plugging a telephone in.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Could it be that a voice service is seen as an �also ran� .... most people use their mobile for voice entirely now.

Of course. You�ll see that yourself in your job, but at the moment it is still something the CPs feel they need to provide.

I have BT Digital Voice, I wouldn�t bother if it was an add on because if there�s a power cut it would stop working anyway. That was always my argument for having voice service via the landline.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Could it be that a voice service is seen as an �also ran� .... most people use their mobile for voice entirely now.

I am one of those. Had a landline for 20 years, required for DSL. Now I've moved to cable, I have moved the landline number to a very cheap VoIP service to retain inbound calling from anyone. If I move house, I will drop it, as due to work I have two mobiles on two networks (!)

"VoIP is nowhere near as straight forward as just plugging a telephone in"

While the case for handsets and ATA people self source, this does not apply to the ones such as BT Digital Voice i.e. where they provide a phone port on the router, since they've spent the time making sure it is plug and speak

In reply to a post by Icaras:

I have BT Digital Voice, I wouldn�t bother if it was an add on because if there�s a power cut it would stop working anyway. That was always my argument for having voice service via the landline.

Landline during a power cut only works of course if you know where your standby handset is . And at night know where a torch is �blindly� or have the one on your mobile easily switched on. And remember to bother when your cooker or microwave just stopped mid-cook.

Now if everyone who has reason to ring you only has your mobile number the problem goes completely away. If it is adequately charged at all times ....

We�re doomed, I tell you. LOL

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

"VoIP is nowhere near as straight forward as just plugging a telephone in"

While the case for handsets and ATA people self source, this does not apply to the ones such as BT Digital Voice i.e. where they provide a phone port on the router, since they've spent the time making sure it is plug and speak

Although you still have to sort out your extension wiring.