In reply to a post by Fastman3:

i think most most unlikley that openreach would deploy in a private road with another Altnet operator present - there would be no point

It's often the opposite. There would definitely be a point to it.

When Virgin or an Alt-Net roll out gigabit to an area then lots of customers leave the OpenReach network.
OpenReach need to roll out FTTP to compete.

If OpenReach are the only network in an area they have every customer already.
Upgrading the area to FTTP only gives a small increase in revenue from each customer who moves to full fibre.

An area with Virgin or an ALT-Net (or both) might have 30-40% of customers not using OpenReach's network at all.
Rolling out FTTP to that area and winning customers back would provide a higher increase in revenue than the areas they have a monopoly in already.

Within a couple months of Virgin going live in my development OpenReach had every house in their plans for FTTP.
Going by all the Virgin boxes appearing on the front of properties here they have had good penetration in the 9 months they have been live.

The majority of OpenReach FTTP going on in my area (it's not part of fibre first or the fibre towns/villages rollouts) is overbuild where Virgin have recently deployed.

Urban areas should be able to support 3 or 4 network operators comfortably.

So in my opinion an ALT-Net deploying to an area can increase the likelihood of OpenReach picking that area to deploy.
It can increase the commercial case for doing so.

Also if the OP is on a street built in the last 20-30 years then OpenReach installing FTTP can be a very simple task. The amount of retro new build work they are doing keeps going up and up.

I wouldn't recommend trying to block a gigabit provider extending their network to my street just on the assumption it means my preferred operator won't build to me because of it.
It might actually increase the chances of OpenReach bringing FTTP.

Edited by j0hn83 (Sun 06-Sep-20 04:14:45)

Gigaclear do not believe the areas they target are capable of economically supporting multiple competitors.

So if Openreach do build in their areas it blows a big hole in their business plan.

Picking BT and Vodafone out of the hat, looks like some providers on Openreach FTTP are cheaper than Gigaclear.

Gigaclear do not believe the areas they target are capable of economically supporting multiple competitors.

Judging by the take up in Gigaclear areas - which usually have no other superfast options - some of the areas they target may not be capable of supporting even one provider.

Most of the altcos avoid private roads because of the hassle and extra costs of getting wayleaves. As Gigaclear specialise in rural areas with much private land, they probably will be the exception.

Of course they may well rent BT ducts to avoid digging and wayleaves.

I don't see any reason to object but then I don't pay for the roads upkeep.

Are Gigaclear doing this infrastructure rollout via a BDUK programme?

In reply to a post by partial:

Picking BT and Vodafone out of the hat, looks like some providers on Openreach FTTP are cheaper than Gigaclear.

Yes there are cheaper products available from other suppliers but would the allow you to run speed tests like this.

So why is the x6 download slower than the x1, and why is the upload half the download when it is a symmetric service?
And the latency looks very high?

In reply to a post by sheephouse:

So why is the x6 download slower than the x1, and why is the upload half the download when it is a symmetric service?
And the latency looks very high?

Speeds are limited by contention. The latency is strange, this site's quality monitor just shows a single thin green line maybe less than 5milliseconds wide. If I ping bbc.co.uk the time is 2ms.

Latency shoots up with most speed tests that use all a lines bandwidth.

Edited by j0hn83 (Mon 07-Sep-20 12:17:59)