In reply to a post by jimbof:

Thank you After a bit of googling and sifting through folk who don't look like brokers at all I did get to that linebroker site that does give an idea of current costs and appears to be quoting the bulk of the suppliers, it was very useful. The BT quote & term does now look confirmed like a mick-take.

I'm surprised how little extra the dedicated 1G symmetrical link is above the cost of the 900/200 FTTP options from the few vendors who offer it, considering the contended nature of FTTP.

End user charges are very much location/area dependent. If your in the centre of a large city there’s usually plenty of fibre nearby and therefore the ECCs are manageable under a 3 year deal. The costs are typically absorbed into the cost of the deal, so there is nothing up front to pay. A 12 month deal will typically see you paying for the ECCs. Of course out of town centres or areas where there is little or no fibre presence with ECCs can easily reach £100K+. Even £200k isn’t unheard of.

In any event in the IT and comms market unless your presented with some astonishingly amazing deal, as a small business. You shouldn’t contemplate locking yourself into a 5 year deal. The vast majority of deals are 3 years and that’s usually plenty as the market evolves.

Edit: just had a quick look at Cerberus costs for 900/200 FTTP @ £180 pcm with a £495 install charge. The best wholesale cost a 1G on 1G leased circuit is around £280 pcm, on top of which a reseller will add their margin. As said though quite different products in reality.

Edited by Pheasant (Wed 10-Mar-21 10:38:56)

Yes, at the point 5 years was mentioned I pretty much switched off... I guess they must catch enough for it to be worth it.

In reply to a post by jimbof:

I'm surprised how little extra the dedicated 1G symmetrical link is above the cost of the 900/200 FTTP options from the few vendors who offer it, considering the contended nature of FTTP.

That's partly why the 1000/220 level is so expensive: not because it costs any more to provide (the upstream bandwidth is effectively free), but because Openreach/BT don't want to eat into their leased line market, and to discourage heavy users on the PON.

If you genuinely need 1000/220 then indeed it may be worth paying the extra for a leased line. Otherwise, FTTP 500/165 or 1000/110 are cheaper, and only tie you in for 1 year.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Don't worry had the same sort of external cabling issue here; there was a 7-tube micro-duct from nearest mini-node (TMBERKM for the Openreach folks) to next node (TPPG) here that was blocked. They spent most of the first day trying to resolve it. Eventually they sorted in about 3/4 days or so later - that was an 800m-ish run...

Keep an eye on the ADVA access port LED. Will be interested to here if yours goes red eventually (suspect as there is no network link present upstream and LLF takes effect).

I'm not tinkering with this one for now, getting other internal VLANs sorted currently...

So the ADVA link port is still up and green. I wonder if LLF isnt kicking in due to the fact the Network side isn't plugged in. (Currently has a red light device on it to trace the fibre through the nodes)

In reply to a post by candlerb:

If you genuinely need 1000/220 then indeed it may be worth paying the extra for a leased line. Otherwise, FTTP 500/165 or 1000/110 are cheaper, and only tie you in for 1 year.

This also presumes that FTTP/FTTC is available as an option, which for example in EO areas it isn't.

In reply to a post by jimbof:

Yes, at the point 5 years was mentioned I pretty much switched off... I guess they must catch enough for it to be worth it.

12 months or 3 years are the usual contract lengths. Obviously with the exception of BT....

Personally unless you're in rented premises with a lease term under 12 months, I don't really see the point of a12-month leased line contract, as they will simply insist on payment of ECC's which will could typically be a few thousand pounds up front. Which they otherwise absorb (again typically up to £3 -5K).

Beyond that I cant see why anyone would sign up for a 5-year term, especially in these times.

I got to the same conclusion, only if you knew you had to vacate at a point in time would it ever make sense to do the 12 month route, and who wants to be tied in for 5 years...

Openreach have now resolved the issue for me, so I now have an Orange LED (rather than red) on the network side of the ADVA. I guess I just need BT to "switch it on"

Still have a green LED on my side using the 10GTek DAC....never did go red, so perhaps its an Edgerouter vs UDM Pro thing for the LLF?

Anyways......I'm a happy chappy and can't wait for it to be turned on now.....

Good stuff. Hopefully that network light goes green soon.

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In reply to a post by Pheasant:

The SFP cage won’t tell the demarc. cops at BT

In theory it could. It could be vendor-locked, or they could be monitoring it with DOM and notice the change in device / serial number.

That reminds me, it's worth buying an SFP with DOM. It may be the same price, or only £1 more, but if your router supports it it can give you all kinds of info such as light levels. (Not that over a 1m patch cord it's likely to be a problem)

it's not, but if your circuit is ordered as Multimode presentation, only multimode will work. if you order singlemode presentation, then only singlemode will work.

The Copper port is 10/100 only and wont be used on circuits above a 100mbps bearer