The root of the problem is your DNO that can’t offer a service without 12 hour long outages. Pure and simple. That needs resolution before anything else.

Your ire is best directed at them and the folks that hold them to account, not casting about looking for an SP to provide you (presumably at no cost) an infinite backup solution that is for the vast majority of folks unwarranted and overkill.

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The root of the problem is your DNO that can’t offer a service without 12 hour long outages. Pure and simple. That needs resolution before anything else.

Your ire is best directed at them and the folks that hold them to account, not casting about looking for an SP to provide you (presumably at no cost) an infinite backup solution that is for the vast majority of folks unwarranted and overkill.

You must think that there is a considerable level of naivety and lack of awareness in communities other than your own. Of course the DNO is and has been under pressure for many years from local councils, County Council and MPs to improve the situation. They are gradually doing that as is evidenced by the reduction in the number of outages we have seen over the years, However, given the huge amount of overhead supply it would require the whole output of the magic money tree to be directed to one comparatively small area in national terms if our DNO were to underground the supply which is the most effective way to reduce the number of outages. Even if that did become policy do you have any reason to assume that it could be finished before the switch off of telecomms copper? If I do have any ire, it is more likely to be directed at people who are happy to come up with flip rather than helpful answers with no knowledge or understanding of the local circumstances.

You need to remove that chip off your shoulder. Have a Good Friday.

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You need to remove that chip off your shoulder. Have a Good Friday.

You do see the irony about flip rather than helpful?

I’ve provided you a helpful technical solution. Other than my joke comment above to candlerb, I was being sincere and not ‘flip’ as you put it.

Now the basic reality of the situation is that there is *no* way any SP is going to provide a standard 12 hour+ backup solution for FTTP - unless they are forced to. I’m not aware that they are.

Indeed Openreach withdrew their BBU solution in 2019, as it happens shortly after I had mine installed. This would be no good to you anyway as it only protects the ONT itself for around an hour. Any other equipment needed for voice over fibre (router and/or ATA or DEct base etc) is not covered.

Other folks including myself put up their own UPS typically to cover outages that last up to an hour or two at most. Beyond that it is taken that the utility will have returned or another source of backup power (generator) is available.

That’s the harsh reality.

The technical solution I described above (a DC UPS) is really nothing more than a slightly more elegant version of a car battery with main charger powering the ONT and router, etc directly at low voltage 5/12 or 20V DC. This is really just an expansion of the BBU idea and is technically feasible and not extraordinarily expensive not difficult. It’s also the only readily available off the shelf way you’re going to approach or exceed 12 hours backup.

What you choose to do with this is up to you. Shoot the messenger. I don’t really give a stuff.

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Indeed Openreach withdrew their BBU solution in 2019, as it happens shortly after I had mine installed. This would be no good to you anyway as it only protects the ONT itself for around an hour.

Exactly, and the reason for dropping the BBU is that they decided to stop using the FVA port on the ONT. When you were able to get a telephony service with *only* the ONT running, then the BBU had some value.

But now you'll always need at least two devices: an ONT, and a router which provides the voice service (e.g. via built-in ATA or DECT, or wifi to a wifi-phone). There's no point powering one without the other.

For the vast majority of people, who have reliable power and/or indoor mobile coverage, this won't make any difference. Mobile coverage is improving all the time, too.

Of course, there's still a minority who will prefer to have some sort of backup power for their Internet and/or land-based voice service. As has been pointed out, there are solutions for that.

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But now you'll always need at least two devices: an ONT, and a router which provides the voice service (e.g. via built-in ATA or DECT, or wifi to a wifi-phone). There's no point powering one without the other.

For the vast majority of people, who have reliable power and/or indoor mobile coverage, this won't make any difference. Mobile coverage is improving all the time, too.

I think we’re in agreement and I apologise for my jokey barb above, but it was in jest (and I don’t think you cared anyhow 😎)

The only other kludge with just an ONT running on BBU backup is to then connect a laptop (on battery) running a soft phone client. Other than that I’m out of ideas.

Is that the original copper pair, or did they fit a combined copper pair and fibre drop wire?

Cheers!

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For the vast majority of people, who have reliable power and/or indoor mobile coverage, this won't make any difference. Mobile coverage is improving all the time, too.

What is worth noting is that in my last power cut (about 4 years ago) the local mast for EE and Three went out as well, and the next nearest were overloaded, couldn't make calls or get internet. My work phone on Vodafone using a mast over the dual carriageway wasn't affected and kept working.

I went shopping as it was cold

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Is that the original copper pair, or did they fit a combined copper pair and fibre drop wire?

Cheers!

Combined drop wire, shotgun style with fibre in one and copper pair + strain wire in the second