In reply to a post by APTMAN:

'Pre-connectorised fibre' cables (plugs both ends) with him.

Not sure how this would have helped.

Edited by deleted (Mon 16-Aug-21 16:19:25)

In reply to a post by APTMAN:

Well yes it would be cheaper, but been advised if we have separate connections then if say one of the flats download / up-loaded something illegal and the police were involved then it would be easy to prove who was using that connection on a certain date .

You can get around that:

- Take a business service from someone like Cerberus (£60+VAT pm for 900/110)
- Get a /29 of public IP addresses (8 addresses). May cost a few quid extra.
- Configure the router with a different private subnet for each apartment
- Configure it to NAT each subnet to a different public address
- Configure it to block apartment-to-apartment traffic

A router like Mikrotik RB4011, with 10 ethernet ports which can be separately routed, will work very nicely for this (1 for ONT and 8 for the apartments)

You need to understand a little about IP networking when setting it up, but once done, you can forget it.

In reply to a post by APTMAN:

Yes I did ask why he was fitting an external CSP inside when he admitted that he had some 'Pre-connectorised fibre' cables (plugs both ends) with him.
This is how I do it he said

But did he not then ask you if it was OK to fix the CSP in the position that he chose? Especially given that you wanted to put something there - you could have stopped him? No?

Re ' Wouldn't you better off just upping your service to a 1000/115 and then sharing that across the holiday lets? Presumably you don't have dozens of apartments to service.

Would be loads cheaper than having separate connections to pay for. '

In reply to a post by APTMAN:

Well yes it would be cheaper, but been advised if we have separate connections then if say one of the flats download / up-loaded something illegal and the police were involved then it would be easy to prove who was using that connection on a certain date .

That's a fairly large and costly sledgehammer to crack a (potential) proverbial wallnut. There are far more cost effective means to achieving this without going to all the trouble and expense of separate FTTP connections for. each holiday let. After all thousands of other businesses, hotels/motels, shared/colo offices etc, etc typically share a single internet connection without going to this sort of expense.

Has anyone any Performance data/info about Nokia ONT connected to a Huawei OLT

Are you expecting it to perform any differently? There will be zero discernible difference to performance. Mixed manufacture OLT and ONT/ONU is pretty typical, perhaps just not for Openreach.

Exactly that! 👍

APTMAN hasn't said how many holiday lets, but a /29 gives six five (oops forgot about the gateway) useable public IP's, presumably plenty if he was hopeful of a 4-port ONT.

Edited by Pheasant (Mon 16-Aug-21 19:08:15)

No need for the CSP and have my space back for my ATA box.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Exactly that! 👍

APTMAN hasn't said how many holiday lets, but a /29 gives six five (oops forgot about the gateway) useable public IP's, presumably plenty if he was hopeful of a 4-port ONT.

You'll get 5 IPs if you put them on a flat LAN, but that's not how you'll do it (unless you want to put a separate router in each apartment)

With a single router, you'd create separate private subnets, e.g.
192.168.0.0/24
192.168.1.0/24
192.168.2.0/24
... etc

each with their own DHCP pool; and then you'll map each of these to a different public IP for NAT. You can use all 8 of your addresses from the /29 this way, because the /29 isn't appearing on a single ethernet segment, it's being treated as 8 x /32.

In reply to a post by APTMAN:

No need for the CSP and have my space back for my ATA box.

I have never heard of a connectorised cable (CBT to ONT) already having a SC APC connector fitted, I know they use to fit field kit SC APC at one point but that is not the same as it already being fitted.

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In reply to a post by APTMAN:

No need for the CSP and have my space back for my ATA box.

I have never heard of a connectorised cable (CBT to ONT) already having a SC APC connector fitted, I know they use to fit field kit SC APC at one point but that is not the same as it already being fitted.

They do exist but are/were only intended to be used at new sites due to the higher cost of the cables. They are meant to be moving away from them.

They come in fixed lengths so the slack had to be lost inside the wall cavity and the slack from the UG cable (up to 20m) had to be coiled in the footway box. This really wouldn't work if the box was already crowded with existing copper equipment.

In reply to a post by troublegum:

They do exist but are/were only intended to be used at new sites due to the higher cost of the cables. They are meant to be moving away from them.

They come in fixed lengths so the slack had to be lost inside the wall cavity and the slack from the UG cable (up to 20m) had to be coiled in the footway box. This really wouldn't work if the box was already crowded with existing copper equipment.

Its not something I have ever heard anyone speak about on here so thanks for explaining.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by troublegum:

They do exist but are/were only intended to be used at new sites due to the higher cost of the cables. They are meant to be moving away from them.

They come in fixed lengths so the slack had to be lost inside the wall cavity and the slack from the UG cable (up to 20m) had to be coiled in the footway box. This really wouldn't work if the box was already crowded with existing copper equipment.

Its not something I have ever heard anyone speak about on here so thanks for explaining.

Just to clarify, the installation is made up of 2 cables. The UG cable has 2 connectorised ends - male at the CBT and female at the house end. The internal cable has a male connectorised end and an SC APC end.

The "joint" between the 2 cables is usually hidden just inside the duct mouth at the house.

Edited by troublegum (Mon 16-Aug-21 22:13:40)