I'm interested in what your 0ms and 2ms pins (presumably pings) are. Presumably just to your router?

I expect ping104.16.104.50 is a little greater.
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(That's the address used when I did ping nyse.com)

Edit: Ah, looking at your 2019 speed test, I see it is to their own Ookla in London

Edited by pluralist (Sun 24-Oct-21 14:44:52)

Most of my neighbours are on 100m LOL, I think even 1 GB is a small percentage of people.

Ye, speedtest, their server is 0ms, most London servers are 1ms ping.

However, the figure is almost meaningless .

Edited by pluralist (Mon 25-Oct-21 09:44:47)

In reply to a post by hanxu:

what could be the use case for this apart from having the fastest home broadband in the country?

Surprised nobody corrected you but 10Gb is available via B4RN, only costs £150 a month so is easily affordable to the type of people who would really use a 10Gb connection.

In reply to a post by dogcat:

In reply to a post by hanxu:

what could be the use case for this apart from having the fastest home broadband in the country?

Surprised nobody corrected you but 10Gb is available via B4RN, only costs £150 a month so is easily affordable to the type of people who would really use a 10Gb connection.

B4RN is proper PTP ethernet fibre as well rather than GPON. I'd be all over it. Wouldn't even need a media converter, just an SFP+ module.

It's a marketing advertisement.

Community Fibre also came live in my area last week after 6 months following its wayleave agreement! I also inquired a few months ago if I will get 3Gbps available or just the 1Gbps.

Now I see 3Gbps is available including 2 other properties that only had 1Gbps available now have 3Gbps.

The only reassuring factor with 3Gbps availability is that we are being connected to XGS-PON rather than GPON.

So in theory Community Fibre could support 10Gbps.

XGS-PON is better than GPON since even using a 1Gbps connection would mean less network congestion, more likely to receive max speeds and it will be symmetrical.

While Hyperoptic does not even use PON, rather Fibre to a basement of building and the rest is twisted pair of copper feeding each properties! While it is able to offer symmetrical 1Gbps, it is more likely to suffer network congestion if too many people in a building were to subscribe to the 1Gbps package.

Openreach FTTP can't do symmetrical Gigabit as it is only GPON. That's why neither Openreach or Hyperoptic are able to offer higher speeds than 1Gbps.

So all in all Community Fibre is the best choice. But the 3Gbps is no doubt a marketing ploy to let people know that their service offers the highest speeds. That way they are of-course going to be able to persuade more customers to join their service instead, even if nobody chooses their 3Gbps package!

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

While Hyperoptic does not even use PON, rather Fibre to a basement of building and the rest is twisted pair of copper feeding each properties! While it is able to offer symmetrical 1Gbps, it is more likely to suffer network congestion if too many people in a building were to subscribe to the 1Gbps package.

I read Hyperoptic used 10G uplink to the building, in which case, obviously this is no worse than XGS-PON.

Technically GPON could support a symmetrical 1gbps connection, the issue would be the contention would be somewhat higher than XGS.

In most use cases people upload very rarely and in short bursts.. so in reality not many people would ever notice the extra contention?

I hope we will see some higher upload packages at some point at a more reasonable price point.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

While Hyperoptic does not even use PON, rather Fibre to a basement of building and the rest is twisted pair of copper feeding each properties! While it is able to offer symmetrical 1Gbps, it is more likely to suffer network congestion if too many people in a building were to subscribe to the 1Gbps package.

I read Hyperoptic used 10G uplink to the building, in which case, obviously this is no worse than XGS-PON.

Well, even if they did use 10G uplink to the building. The problem is that Hyperoptic are using Cat5e cables to feed all of the properties within their buildings.

Now I know I've heard from some in the past saying that Hyperoptic don't just use Cat5e, they use Fibre as well. But the point is that existing old builds with Cat5e need to be upgraded to harness from higher speeds than 1Gbps.

This means Hyperoptic need to redo their work and either replace those Cat5e cables with Fibre drop cables like how Community Fibre do it or upgrade them to Cat6a and above for 10Gbps to work.

This is why you don't see Hyperoptic offering 3Gbps because they simply can't do so without replacing the cables. Even if they were to be able to offer it to few buildings, they will be exposing themselves for not providing Full Fibre to most of their buildings. From a marketing point of view it gives a pretty bad impression. Hyperoptic sneakily try to hide that information from their website, because they know most customers with another altnet provider will not go with them should they know they aren't being fed with Fibre to their door.

In reply to a post by kjwkjw:

Technically GPON could support a symmetrical 1gbps connection, the issue would be the contention would be somewhat higher than XGS.

In most use cases people upload very rarely and in short bursts.. so in reality not many people would ever notice the extra contention?

I hope we will see some higher upload packages at some point at a more reasonable price point.

That's exactly the problem. This is why Openreach 1Gbps FTTP packages are very high in cost, this is to reduce the risk of network contention by preventing too many of the users selecting 1Gbps.

I don't think Openreach will be able to offer cheaper FTTP packages in future unless they upgrade to XGS-PON. This contention issue is a major drawback. It means that customers are in danger of getting degraded speeds for the same 1Gbps package compared to another Altnet provider that supports XGS-PON.

The only way the GPON contention can be minimized is if there are multiple FTTP overbuilds in the same building. So that way more customers are divided into different Altnet providers. But if there is only Openreach FTTP in a given area contention from GPON is much likely to have an impact from higher speeds.