In reply to a post by wifigeek:

I suspect but have no evidence that this is due to poor ducting, as the end of the development appears to be missing a sensible layout of openreach manholes and some people had to have the estate dug up to add telephone lines.

Are you saying the developer didn't install a copper/fibre line at all to some properties before they were built and occupied? That makes no sense because its a bit like saying the developer didn't bother installing power cables before people moved in.

In reply to a post by jabuzzard:

A lot of estates like yours are getting FTTP retro fitted by Openreach because they are what you might describe as "low hanging fruit", in terms of getting as many people connected as quickly as possible for the lowest possible cost. If it is only five years old there should be new ducting to use that is likely to be free of blockages which makes it much cheaper and quicker.

The estate I live on which the developer started building in 2014 had FTTP retro-built back in March this year. It's all ducted and took Openreach's subcontractor 3 days to install the CBT's and FTTP was available to order 2 weeks later.

In reply to a post by wifigeek:

unfortunately this has now turned out to be very strange.

I think its turning out to be not unusual. My situation is as you describe (minus the odd ducting issue). Newbuild, parts of estate fully fibered.

There's an expectation OR will cover 80% of the country by (?) 2025. My money is them telling the government how clever they've been, spent shedloads of cash but its just not worth their while doing the last 20%. Oh, unless you want to pay for that, thank you very much.

You estate and my estate appear to be part of that 20% already. Not in their 'commercial' plans.

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

There's an expectation OR will cover 80% of the country by (?) 2025. My money is them telling the government how clever they've been, spent shedloads of cash but its just not worth their while doing the last 20%. Oh, unless you want to pay for that, thank you very much.

Well, yeah, what do you expect them to do? They have to draw the line somewhere. By definition if they're doing 80% it's not worth their while to do that last 20, presumably for financial reasons so some cash would do nicely.

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

You estate and my estate appear to be part of that 20% already. Not in their 'commercial' plans.

Their already-announced plans don't cover anything near to 80%. That's to be expected - there's no point planning to a 5 year horizon, when plans that far out can't possibly be accurate. They make detailed plans for the next year or two, where they're actually building or about to build.

But the intention is to cover 80%, and that means the odds are 4 in 5 that you *will* be covered by end of 2026. If you are nearby to existing FTTP, and/or are in an "estate" with a high density of properties, and/or have modern ducting, then the likelihood is much higher. There's a big benefit to Openreach in being able to turn off *all* the copper in a given locality.

Are you saying the developer didn't install a copper/fibre line at all to some properties before they were built and occupied? That makes no sense because its a bit like saying the developer didn't bother installing power cables before people moved in.

that is exactly what I am saying. it may not sound plausible, but the ground workers on site are monkeys and lack of site manager oversight means the end result is a mess.

nobody bothers to do a proper inspection regime/inspect the builds anymore.

Edited by deleted (Fri 17-Dec-21 23:33:40)

That doesn't make sense. If the estate was built in 2017 then it will be all ducted and they would be using that rather than putting up a series of telegraph poles.

Indeed. I got a full survey from OR and this is precisely what the openreach engineer fed back - poles from over the wasteland as its the quickest path to the aggregation node. there may be a closer aggregation node now that the rest of the estate is enabled except my street though.

A lot of estates like yours are getting FTTP retro fitted by Openreach because they are what you might describe as "low hanging fruit", in terms of getting as many people connected as quickly as possible for the lowest possible cost. If it is only five years old there should be new ducting to use that is likely to be free of blockages which makes it much cheaper and quicker.

yeah.. which is precisely what has happened now - except my street

If you are sub 30Mbps you may well be in line for intervention from R100 even though you are in the central belt. What does this say?

https://www.scotlandsuperfast.com/how-can-i-get-it/c...

it says no such joy.. we can get 35mbit down, 5mbit up.

"A superfast connection has been built for your address.
The connection means you can get faster internet speeds. That’ll make it easier to video call loved ones, watch shows online, work from home and more.
"

As other have suggested a community fibre scheme would probably be the right approach if the whole or most of the estate has poor broadband. What happens if you are in line for R100 intervention though who knows.

as majority of the estate except one street is now enabled I suspect there would not be enough interest but might give it a go.

Edited by deleted (Fri 17-Dec-21 23:39:23)

we did do this and paid for the site survey it is sadly where our 13k+ quote came from and the openreach engineer suggested _not_ using the ducts. I might do it again now that majority of the estate is enabled. the checker originally said could not quote.

Edited by deleted (Fri 17-Dec-21 23:41:41)

In reply to a post by wifigeek:

I suspect but have no evidence that this is due to poor ducting, as the end of the development appears to be missing a sensible layout of openreach manholes and some people had to have the estate dug up to add telephone lines.

does anyone know what layout is required to deploy FTTP? do the manholes need to follow a particular pattern for overlay?

It's all on Google Maps. The layout of the Openreach joint boxes/manholes is as expected. The majority is fully ducted with BT66 junction boxes on the front of every home with a pavement.

It looks a little different on a couple of the cul-de-sacs on Forrest Place. They have no pavement. It's a monoblock road with a visible service strip at the front of the gardens.
Not every home appears to have a BT66 though Google Maps isn't the best way to tell.

Edit: correction. Looking again even that's all fully ducted. Openreach covers installed on the service strips on every cul-de-sac, both sides of the street.

Nothing that would stop an FTTP rollout.

Edited by j0hn83 (Sat 18-Dec-21 02:14:32)

Based on that diagram I've looked at the street next to the black and checked the postcode, seems like some can get full fibre, so just seems a bit odd that others can't.

Armadale is on the fibre build list for April 2021-December 2026
https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/where-when...

Might be worth getting in touch with Openreach and double check to see if they have plans to expand over or get in touch with your local MSP!