And mine is different again. I live on a new estate with no copper ( greenfield ) and there are no spare capacity at the CBT for another ont. I also do not get the message about changing to a 4 port. my current ONT is a 1 port ( with voice port for fibre voice )

ONT exists with active service. No spare ports are available. A new ONT may be ordered and will be placed in Waiters list until the network is ready.

In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

I'm using a multiport already and have no service on port 1 but a service on another which might explain things.

You have 2 FTTPs connections right? Are they on the same ONT or separate, because I remember you were asking about the switching speed of the ONT, or have you got a new ONT?

Would be interesting to see what happens if 4x 1gbps connections are requested. The entire PON only has 2.4gbps...

They usually put 4-port CBT in rural / more sparsely populated areas. Mine is also a 4-port and I’m the only property connected.

If there are spare ports on the CBT that serves you, then you should be able to order. There is no ‘reservation’ per se for the other neighbours. If the neighbours decide at a later point to order and there aren’t enough ports on the CBT at the time, then it’s kind of tough luck for them. First come first served.

Edited by Pheasant (Thu 27-Jan-22 15:19:03)

In reply to a post by zzing123:

Would be interesting to see what happens if 4x 1gbps connections are requested. The entire PON only has 2.4gbps...

Nothing special will happen: it's the same as if 4 people in the same cluster of properties served by the same splitter all order 1G FTTP. The order will just go through.

FTTP is a contended service by design. If you want 1G all to yourself, then you need to buy a 1G leased line.

I was initially installed like you as FoD in mid-2019

Interestingly my wholesale checker record has been updated in the last month or so. It now says:

ONT exists with active service. A spare port may be available or a single port ONT may be swappable to a multiport ONT. A new ONT may be ordered.“

It’s a 1+1 Huawei that was swapped once in 2019 following lightning related damage. Otherwise it’s the same unit as the initial install. The wording in bold was never there previously….the bit about having a spare port was always bsllcocks (sorry database error) 😎

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

If there are spare ports on the CBT that serves you, then you should be able to order. There is no ‘reservation’ per se for the other neighbours. If the neighbours decide at a later point to order and there aren’t enough ports on the CBT at the time, then it’s kind of tough luck for them. First come first served.

Thats interesting I had assumed that if a 4 port CBT was put on a pole with 4 properties feed from that pole then each property would have the option to order FTTP and one of those ports would be used for each property. From what you're saying one greedy neighbour could in theory take all 4 ports and leave none for the other properties so the theory of properties enabled goes out of the window

In my case our neighbours haven’t ordered FTTP in the coming up to 3 years since the service was available. In fact another cottage has now been built virtually next to the serving CBT since the initial install. So zero FTTP revenue other than from yours truly.

Theoretically if I decided to order another FTTP service (another drop needed) why would Openreach object? See checker output in my post above.

Edited by Pheasant (Thu 27-Jan-22 15:35:48)

In reply to a post by zzing123:

Would be interesting to see what happens if 4x 1gbps connections are requested. The entire PON only has 2.4gbps...

SIN 506 explains that Openreach only commit to 110 down on the 1000/115 product. Interestingly, they also commit to 110 down on the 160/30 option. In practical terms they have been so conservative with the CIRs on GEA FTTP that I'd doubt they'll ever be a problem.

You'd have to order and saturate 23 services at 160/30 or higher for Openreach to be in trouble - and all the ONTs (between 6 and 23 depending if 4 ports are available) would have to be connected to the same PON. 23 services at ~£25 per month is over £550 per month at which point customers would just have ordered a 1G leased line.

You could do it with 8 services at 1000/220, but comparing Openreach prices for just the tails:

1000/220: £1009.68 rental p.a. plus £500 install
8x 1000/220: £8077.44 p.a. plus £4k install
These services would come with a committed total download rate of 2640Mbit, and 1760Mbit up.

EAD 10000 £4980 p.a. plus £5441 install
... and this is 10000 committed up and down, all day and all night.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In my case our neighbours haven’t ordered FTTP in the coming up to 3 years since the service was available. In fact another cottage has now been built virtually next to the serving CBT since the initial install. So zero FTTP revenue other than from yours truly.

Theoretically if I decided to order another FTTP service (another drop needed) why would Openreach object? See checker output in my post above.

Its an interesting point I hadn't previously considered.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

If there are spare ports on the CBT that serves you, then you should be able to order. There is no ‘reservation’ per se for the other neighbours. If the neighbours decide at a later point to order and there aren’t enough ports on the CBT at the time, then it’s kind of tough luck for them. First come first served.

This is NOT correct at all...

Every property served by a CBT is allocated capacity, if that is used or not. Remember every property will be connected to a CBT in years to come, just because another property has not yet connected to a CBT, doesn't mean you can use their capacity. If there is spare capacity at the CBT then you might be able to order a second line.

The way forward would be a 4 port ONT would need to be installed at the property.