To be pedantic, yes it would take more time. Second hole drilled through, new NTE fitted.

In reply to a post by broadbandjockey:

Yes, point taken.

I am talking about an FTTP in addition to the existing 'copper' install.

Thing is, if the drop-wire is to be replaced with a hybrid combined cable, then it's arguably no more effort/time to not split off the copper on the facia, and replace the 16A etc, than to run both components of the cable down to ground level and move the NTE5 to a position next to the ONT.

However, it depends on 'moods' etc on the day !

I would expect whoever turns up to install your FTTP to refuse to touch your existing copper installation. Yes they might use a hybrid cable, but i doubt they will do anymore than connecting it outside to where the cable enters your house. If they do start messing then more fool them, as that is not their job and if something goes wrong afterwards it will be on their head.

The next thing is you might well get someone who does not have any hybrid cable and they will simply fit a new fibre only drop wire up and leave the existing copper where it is, so you'll have two cables to your house. Again they won't touch your existing copper.

The last point is, there are lots of engineers who do not have copper skills and do not carry master sockets at all as they only do fibre installs. If you get an engineer who has no copper on their van or does not have the skills to do it, they will rightly refuse to mess with an existing circuit. Personally i would expect your existing master socket to remain where it is and why would you want more holes in the wall of your house for a service you are going to terminate in a month or so? Leave the copper where it is, less mess.

In reply to a post by TheInstaller:

The last point is, there are lots of engineers who do not have copper skills and do not carry master sockets at all as they only do fibre installs. If you get an engineer who has no copper on their van or does not have the skills to do it, they will rightly refuse to mess with an existing circuit. Personally i would expect your existing master socket to remain where it is and why would you want more holes in the wall of your house for a service you are going to terminate in a month or so? Leave the copper where it is, less mess.

Yes, point taken. I hadn't considered that the person who turns up might know next to nothing about copper/analogue, but I suppose given OR are training and employing lots of extra people for FTTP, why waste training them on what will be legacy technology ?

In reply to a post by broadbandjockey:

Yes, point taken.
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This did make me chuckle, its effectively saying yes but no 🤣🤣

Edited by deleted (Fri 20-May-22 17:26:06)

Thing is, if the drop-wire is to be replaced with a hybrid combined cable, then it's arguably no more effort/time to not split off the copper on the facia, and replace the 16A etc, than to run both components of the cable down to ground level and move the NTE5 to a position next to the ONT.

Except that clearing the hybrid stuff is a pain, the ‘flat’ cleats aren’t nearly as easy as the standard round ones … and thus take longer.

The copper and fibre cable will not fit through the cable entry tubes together, so two holes required .

All more time and hassle

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Thing is, if the drop-wire is to be replaced with a hybrid combined cable, then it's arguably no more effort/time to not split off the copper on the facia, and replace the 16A etc, than to run both components of the cable down to ground level and move the NTE5 to a position next to the ONT.

Except that clearing the hybrid stuff is a pain, the ‘flat’ cleats aren’t nearly as easy as the standard round ones … and thus take longer.

The copper and fibre cable will not fit through the cable entry tubes together, so two holes required .

All more time and hassle

Ok, well there we are. So in summary IF the installer has Hybrid cable available, and IF they have the necessary skills (and willingness) to terminate the copper ends to replace the current copper dropwire, they're just seperate off the copper at the existing landing point?

More than likely, yes.

Hope you don't think we are trying to be difficult with you, just trying to give you some honest opinions on what the likely outcome will be. Please let us know how you get on

In reply to a post by dect:

Hope you don't think we are trying to be difficult with you, just trying to give you some honest opinions on what the likely outcome will be. Please let us know how you get on

Hey, absolutely no problem at all. Advice and insights are always very gratefully received.
I will indeed post the results and outcome, though I'm under no illusions, it may still be some months or even a year or two away! 😎