In reply to a post by GonePostal:

If the supplier has taken advantage of the PIA rules...

They have.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

...then the fibre in the ducts or on the poles is the property of the provider, not BT or BTOR.

I know... Kind of what I said, all along (he seems to be under the impression that a condition of OR allowing other providers to install in OR ducts/poles, is that any fibre & equipment becomes the property of OR and then has to be leased back by the provider/installer).

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

If the supplier has not contracted under PIA and is white-labelling their product then there is no "new" cabling, the supplier has not installed any new fibre and the service is sub-contracted from the BT empire.

Doesn't apply in this case.

Swish have clearly stated they are under PIA (so I'm right... that their fibres/etc. are owned by Swish and are not OR owned and leased back, by Swish, or an OR wholesale product that's being retailed by Swish).

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

Stop arguing and rely on the facts (which you or your antagonist can verify if you would sooner spend time on verifying...

Isn't that the whole point of this thread ... me trying to verify what I already believed to be the case (that fibres installed in/on OR ducts/poles, under the PIA Openreach agreement, remains the property of the provider... in this case Swish... and remains a completely "separate" network... they're basically just paying a license fee, to use space in OR ducts... not the actual OR fibres).

In reply to a post by adebov:

Isn't that the whole point of this thread ... me trying to verify what I already believed to be the case (that fibres installed in/on OR ducts/poles, under the PIA Openreach agreement, remains the property of the provider...

But you aren't going to get that here; you are only going to get opinion and people passing on what they believe to be true. This site cannot give definitive verification although posters might give links or contact information where you can get the definitive information. That has already been done earlier in this thread.

My problem with this thread and your posts in particular is that you have been told what PIA and cablelinks are several times but you keep writing long posts going over and over the same points that have already been answered. The PIA point has been done to death, the cablelink point has been done to death but you're still saying the same stuff in subsequent posts about PIA and cablinks. What part of PIA or cablelinks do you still not understand. We have all told you random facebook guy is talking garbage but sadly this whole thing is now consuming you so you need to take a chill pill and move on.