In reply to a post by candlerb:

That's to scare you off.

So those kind of letters still arrive?

If it's important and directly relevant - like a planning application in your neighbour's property - then it will be addressed to you personally, and will be delivered.

If the council is doing a general leaflet drop - "we are consulting on the urban plan for your district", that sort of thing - then you might miss it. But there are other ways to find out when this sort of stuff happens.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Companies need return on their investment …. relying on word of mouth just isn’t good enough.

i don't have a problem with a leaflet, but i have had a load from Zzoomm, granted only one from any provider on Openreach at the moment.

In reply to a post by bedrock:

I got an OpenReach flyer about 3 months after I had gone live

That is a bit strange since Openreach is a network provider and not a broadband provider.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

That is a bit strange since Openreach is a network provider and not a broadband provider.

Not strange at all: Openreach has a big vested interest in shifting customers over from copper to fibre, as soon as fibre is available. Fibre has a lower fault rate, and in the long term they'll want to retire the copper network.

Having said that, right now they don't seem to have enough installation engineers to keep up with demand - although this problem likely varies between areas.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Not strange at all: Openreach has a big vested interest in shifting customers over from copper to fibre, as soon as fibre is available. Fibre has a lower fault rate, and in the long term they'll want to retire the copper network.

I wonder how they do this since that can't advertise individual providers. When FTTC came here, they put notices on them saying Fibre broadband is here which is what is confusing some people now as a lot of people think we already have fibre, after all Openreach posted notices on their cabinets telling us it is.

You say that they have a vested interest in shifting people from copper to fibre and this is the problem I have and why I admit I go on a bit. I am fine as I am, and I feel like it is another corporation/company/government department that is telling us what to do.

A few years ago I wanted Fibre here and said I go onto it as soon as I could, and don't get me wrong, I am glad it is here for people who want it. One of the things that have put me off is the amount of people that seems to be having more problems with this so-called superfast technology than I have with this old technology. A thread on the Zen forum here and others, posts on facebook and posts on other forums. What I have is working, could do with a better router, but it is working.

Having said that, right now they don't seem to have enough installation engineers to keep up with demand - although this problem likely varies between areas.

Well it did not take my next door neighbour long to get theirs installed, but the bloke was here for a while, and I was surprised that it was only one person, I thought someone climbing a pole would need someone with him just in case of an accident.
i have noticed that the cable Openreach uses is thicker than Zzoomm, i thought maybe because it has copper in it as well, if they are getting rid of copper that would not be the case and the old cable is still there, I think they should remove cables that are not in use.

I don't know how long it took for my brother to get Fibre as I don't know when it was available down there.

The other problem with having fibre is here is that would need to move the network around and have an Ethernet cable going around the living room.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Not strange at all: Openreach has a big vested interest in shifting customers over from copper to fibre, as soon as fibre is available. Fibre has a lower fault rate, and in the long term they'll want to retire the copper network.

I wonder how they do this since that can't advertise individual providers.

Sigh. By putting a leaflet through your door saying "FTTP is now available in your area - contact your ISP to upgrade".

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

You say that they have a vested interest in shifting people from copper to fibre and this is the problem I have and why I admit I go on a bit. I am fine as I am, and I feel like it is another corporation/company/government department that is telling us what to do.

Nestlé have a vested interest in selling Kit Kats. Hence they may put a leaflet through your door saying "Have a break - have a Kit Kat". This is just how the world we live in works. You can choose to ignore the message.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

i have noticed that the cable Openreach uses is thicker than Zzoomm, i thought maybe because it has copper in it as well, if they are getting rid of copper that would not be the case and the old cable is still there, I think they should remove cables that are not in use.

It might be a hybrid cable, or it might just be a thicker/stronger cable.

Unless you're in a "stop sell" area, the owner of the property could decide to switch back to copper at any time - or could request both copper and fibre to be active. Or the property could be sold tomorrow, to someone who decides they want copper service.

It would be very expensive for Openreach to have to resupply copper after removing it, so it makes sense to keep both options available for the time being. The difference in cost between the two types of cable is pennies; the cost of sending another engineer out to resupply copper would be hundreds of pounds.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

The other problem with having fibre is here is that would need to move the network around and have an Ethernet cable going around the living room.

We already know that you have your own personal reasons for not wanting FTTP - you don't need to keep reminding us. Try to remember that not everyone has the same criteria as you.

As we all know, its only a matter of time before everyone who has Openreach FTTP available to them will be forced over (or to an altnet) due to a stop-sell, so best be ahead of the game rather than bringing up the rear.

Actually, this was back in the 2019 timeframe for me also

In reply to a post by bedrock:

this was back in the 2019 timeframe for me also