In reply to a post by candlerb:

Sigh. By putting a leaflet through your door saying "FTTP is now available in your area - contact your ISP to upgrade".

Yes, they could do it that way, but I would have thought they would not be allowed to, after is that now an unfair advantage due to their size?

Nestlé have a vested interest in selling Kit Kats. Hence they may put a leaflet through your door saying "Have a break - have a Kit Kat". This is just how the world we live in works. You can choose to ignore the message.

But Nestlé will not try to force people to buy a kitkat

It might be a hybrid cable, or it might just be a thicker/stronger cable.

Unless you're in a "stop sell" area, the owner of the property could decide to switch back to copper at any time - or could request both copper and fibre to be active. Or the property could be sold tomorrow, to someone who decides they want copper service.

It would be very expensive for Openreach to have to resupply copper after removing it, so it makes sense to keep both options available for the time being. The difference in cost between the two types of cable is pennies; the cost of sending another engineer out to resupply copper would be hundreds of pounds.

Still seems a bit strange if they are getting rid of copper, I thought they would want to make it difficult for people to go back to Copper and a if it is s hybrid, then why is the original copper cable still up?
If we get more people having fibre from this pole it is going to look awful, have enough cables going past my bedroom window as it

We already know that you have your own personal reasons for not wanting FTTP - you don't need to keep reminding us. Try to remember that not everyone has the same criteria as you.

Granted, but lets see how much pushing my provider will do.

In reply to a post by dect:

As we all know, its only a matter of time before everyone who has Openreach FTTP available to them will be forced over (or to an altnet) due to a stop-sell, so best be ahead of the game rather than bringing up the rear.

This is the problem I have, getting fed up with being pushed into things i don't want or need.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

This is the problem I have, getting fed up with being pushed into things i don't want or need.

You may not want at the moment but you may be in a copper stop sell exchange area or soon to be as the copper network is being retired where FTTP Full Fibre is available.

https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/retiring-t...

Still seems a bit strange if they are getting rid of copper, I thought they would want to make it difficult for people to go back to Copper and a if it is s hybrid, then why is the original copper cable still up?

What is being ‘got rid of’ first will E sides and exchanges. Copper D sides, cabinets and their associated DSLAMs will be around a good while longer yet.

Leaving a copper pair to a property may well save the company money in the future, not having to put one back when different services are requested.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

getting fed up with being pushed into things i don't want or need.

Its 1 flyer from 1 Openreach ISP, I think you're just being rebellious, just like all the other things you complain about on a day to day basis.

Merry Christmas Adrian, and please don't complain that your employer is forcing you to have Christmas day off work 😎🤣

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In reply to a post by cymru123:

You may not want at the moment but you may be in a copper stop sell exchange area or soon to be as the copper network is being retired where FTTP Full Fibre is available.

https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/retiring-t...

According to the BT broadband availability checker I am not in a FTTP Priority Exchange area or a WLR Withdrawal area, according to the article you linked to which I have seen before it needs 75%, There are a lot of houses connected to our exchange and one of the larger estates don't have FTTP yet, so could be a while before we get the 75%. I am surprised that we are done first, I thought they would want to do the larger estate first, unless they think we are more likely to want FTTp here as this is supposed to be the more well off side of the city. It is complete rubbish, There are people on the breadline this side just like there are people who are well off on the other side.

I was going to wait until my contract is over to decide what to do, but i am having second thoughts, maybe I will just recontract with Plusnet, they have a 12-month contract which is a good price, it will take me to December next year

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

What is being ‘got rid of’ first will E sides and exchanges. Copper D sides, cabinets and their associated DSLAMs will be around a good while longer yet.

Leaving a copper pair to a property may well save the company money in the future, not having to put one back when different services are requested.

But if there is fibre available here, then surly if the property change owners, they will still go for fibre. If I was moving into a new house, I would go for FTTp if it was available and the price was right. I am not against FTTP apart from the switching of the old phone system, I think that is stupid, not it makes any difference to me as I don't use my landline, I have VoIP and have done so for years.

In reply to a post by dect:

Its 1 flyer from 1 Openreach ISP, I think you're just being rebellious, just like all the other things you complain about on a day to day basis.

But it won't be one flyer, I have not had one yet, but with ZZoomm here as well openreach will want to reach out to as many people as they can and will no doubt I will have multiple flyers, as I have said I already had one from Vodafone who I have never used for broadband. I am surprised that Plusnet have not got in touch.
Zzoomm must have put 5 through my door in the last 4 weeks, plus a visit.

Merry Christmas Adrian, and please don't complain that your employer is forcing you to have Christmas day off work 😎🤣

Merry Christmas type thing to you as well, I don't celebrate it myself, just a normal day for me as for time off work, this is my normal day off, so no extra days for me, well there is, but it is added to my holidays.
Back to it Tomorrow not that I feel like it I have had that bug that have been going around for a few weeks. Never mind, I have a week off on the 15th and at least now it will slow down a bit, well it should do as people should not have any money to spend.

Oh yeah, I don't mind my Employer forcing me to have a day off, I really don't

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by dect:

Merry Christmas Adrian

I don't celebrate it myself, just a normal day for me

Sorry, didn't realise, no offence meant.

But if there is fibre available here, then surEly if the property change owners, they will still go for fibre.

No, people seem to want choice, want it all cheap as chips, or just don’t want to upgrade even if they can. 😉 One size does NOT fit all