In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

Fibre offers me nothing I want to do that I can't do already and has more unreliable telephony in my area of frequent power cuts. So in order for me to have some Kellys muppet lashing it around my house it will have to be under £20.

I agree with you, I can do everything I need to do with the service I have and going by the way Talk Talk's experiment went we are not the only one. Talk Talk sent emails/letters to people saying they will be upgraded for free and a few people was not happy.
I know to some folks it may seem strange that there are people who are not interested in being put onto fibre, but sometimes if something works, why change it comes to mind.
You are right about the landline part, and some people may not the like the idea of their landline being connected to their router, after all it is another thing to go wrong, and we all know that broadband is not as reliable as the old telephone system, so many things to go wrong. As I have said before, makes no difference to me, I have been VoIP for years now.

Do you live in an open reach fibre area? Sadly, I do and I am still shocked that Openreach have put fibre here, but then in another way I am not, after all they seem to follow Alt networks around as if they are scared of losing out.
If I am at some point forced to change to Fibre then I would prefer to go with a Alt network, the problem is I don't want to pay £33 a month for a silly speed I don't need. If zzoomm done a slower speed at a cheaper price, I would prefer tjhat.

In reply to a post by FibreBubble:

Fibre offers me nothing I want to do that I can't do already and has more unreliable telephony in my area of frequent power cuts.

The move to Digital Voice/VoIP/Internet calls is being done to all be that if you are on full fibre, fibre to the cabinet or on ADSLx.

From September 2023 a nationwide stop sell of traditional landline phone services comes into force meaning you will only be offered a Internet based voice service if you want to keep your home phone service and existing customers will be moved onto this in mass batches.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Although, for some large providers, "do nothing" can be a very expensive option as they hike you up to out-of-contract pricing. You could be better off switching now to a provider that doesn't do that.


I imagine that eventually Openreach *will* be allowed to force the stragglers off copper services, in a similar way to forced PSTN withdrawal, but that hasn't been mooted yet.

Force people to change by making their old service more expensive, that should be made illegal.
I could go for another contract with Plusnet for another 18 months, keep me on FTTC until June 2024, Plusnet have a small problem when trying to get people to FTTP as they don't offer a digital voice service, if I was with one of the other providers that offers a digital voice service, things may be different.

My sister-in-law was bombarded with stuff from BT pushing them to change once FTTP was available there, but BT have digital voice, my sister-in-law did not go for digital voice, decided to get rid of their landline, the fact that the landline is still working is a bit strange, but I presume at some point it will get cut off.

If I go to different providers now as a new customer, then they offer me FTTP, most it is possible to bypass it with a bit of mucking around, but some like BT will not allow me to even look at FTTC once I put my postcode in. Talk Talk give me FTTC only for some reason, so their database is not updated, not that I would ever use Talk Talk. Sky offers both FTTC and FTTP.

If I go to plusnet as a new customer they will offer both, but the strange this is the lowest FTTP they offer is 74Mb/s and yet as a customer they will offer me a 36Mb/s FTTP connection.

I am sure as time goes on, it may be more difficult to stay on FTTC if I change to a new provider, Now broadband only seem to offer FTTC services, so I am not sure what will happen there.

As I have said before, providers need to get away from the 24-month thing and not put prices up sky-high for short contracts, and changing providers is one of the problems with FTTP, unless a new provider just sends out a new ONT as well as a router, people will need someone to install a new ONT all the time

In reply to a post by cymru123:

It already happens today in a copper stop sell exchange area.
What happens is if FTTP is available and in a copper stop sell exchange then providers will only have FTTP products available to offer customers.
Also providers would need to migrate existing customers over to FTTP. Openreach have also increased prices to their copper based products.

Any copper based product would be rejected by Openreach.

Also to note if FTTP is available then the policy is FTTP products take a priority so providers may deliver the broadband service over FTTP for the same price.

But a lot is not the same price, well not for new customers anyway, what providers seem to be doing is pushing people to faster more expensive FTTp service and not offering a cheaper equivalent to a FTTC service.
Plusnet is to their existing customers, I can get a 36Mb/s FTTP service from them for a squid less than what I am paying for my FTTC service, but as a new customer, the lowest speed they show is 74Mb/s, most others I have had a look at as a new customer is 145mb/s. at silly prices

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

But a lot is not the same price, well not for new customers anyway, what providers seem to be doing is pushing people to faster more expensive FTTp service and not offering a cheaper equivalent to a FTTC service.
Plusnet is to their existing customers, I can get a 36Mb/s FTTP service from them for a squid less than what I am paying for my FTTC service, but as a new customer, the lowest speed they show is 74Mb/s, most others I have had a look at as a new customer is 145mb/s. at silly prices

Pricing strategies and bandwidth tiers on offer is up to the provider. I see BT, Sky offer a 36Mbps DL package on FTTP.
Remember some providers also offer social tariffs too.

Always also worth calling up the provider to negotiate a deal.

Edited by cymru123 (Mon 26-Dec-22 21:52:34)

In reply to a post by cymru123:

Pricing strategies and bandwidth tiers on offer is up to the provider. I see BT, Sky offer a 36Mbps DL package on FTTP.
Remember some providers also offer social tariffs too.

Always also worth calling up the provider to negotiate a deal.

As I have already put, I can get Full Fibre 36 for £21.,99 from plusnet, which is my provider and Full Fibre 74 for £27.99, so going to full fibre 36 would save me around £3 from what I am paying now for a 36Mb/s FTTC connection. I doubt phoning them will make them budge on that, maybe towards the end of my contract they may, but I still have 7 months on it. 24 months contracts on all FTTP services, I don't want to sign up for that length of time. As i have said, I don't really want to go to FTTP anyway

You dont want a more reliable delivery platform for your broadband?

If its price that bothers you, low speed FTTP can be cheaper than FTTC, probably related to the lower fault rate allowing it to be sold cheaper.

Only if you move home, or request a new line. If you have an existing service, the ‘stop sell’ area doesn’t turn you off.. That’s the point.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

You dont want a more reliable delivery platform for your broadband?

If its price that bothers you, low speed FTTP can be cheaper than FTTC, probably related to the lower fault rate allowing it to be sold cheaper.

As I have said before on here, I don't have reliability problems, well not for a long time anyway, my main problem is with my router, it is rubbish. If I can find my old TP-link I am going to put that back into play with the old open reach modem.

It is not that I can't afford £30 a month or £40 a month, I can., but I don't want to, I don't even want to pay what I am paying now which is around £24, which is why I am looking at Now broadband if they keep the prices how they have got them now until June next year.

plusnet offers a 36Mb/s FTTp connection for a squid less than what I am paying now, but again as I have said before, what is the point of going through the hassle of having someone drilling holes in walls, sticking a box inside and a slice box on the out just to get the same speed? Saying that I have two holes in the wall, one where the sky cable used to go through and the other where my old wireless broadband cable went, so maybe they have no need to drill another hole.

Adrian, an honest question

What was the point of this thread?