In reply to a post by Realalemadrid:

I have also been wondering what is the point of Adrian's spam, it's been going on for months, the same old stuff again and again.

Not much going on in the cesspit that is The Park perhaps. I say perhaps as I have no idea: I've no care for reading it.

ISPR comments are on exactly the same themes, equally repetitive and make it all the more confusing why they're being posted on websites devoted to broadband. Nothing personal to TBB.

In reply to a post by 4M2:

I guess they are in an area where FTTP is not available and they don't wish to cease xDSL on their line?

Correct. Alt-Net may appear during 2023 or 2024, but no sign of OR FTTP in town.

However, in that scenario, I would imagine that it would not be possible to migrate the PSTN voice service to another provider after "stop sell" in September next year?

I read elsewhere (main site, or ISPR) that the current voice provider will write to the customer saying they need to decide either to cancel FTTC broadband, or to switch voice to the broadband provider.

Doesn’t help when elderly fund the “BT phone line” and other family members fund the broadband. Of course it will be cheaper in total, just takes a while to explain the changes!

In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

Not much going on in the cesspit that is The Park perhaps. I say perhaps as I have no idea: I've no care for reading it.

Park is a forum that isn’t visible to majority (including myself) so its really a closed-user-group for those that frequent.

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In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

Not much going on in the cesspit that is The Park perhaps. I say perhaps as I have no idea: I've no care for reading it.

Got the equivalent of the sobriety coin for now being free of 'The Park' for over 4 months, had a little relapse in TTTS recently but still doing OK.

In reply to a post by cymru123:

The way I see it is that you've hopefully now been given information and how the transition to full fibre works, the stop sell process and the priority full fibre products have over copper based products (including fibre to the cabinet services) and as a separate piece the migration to All IP and Internet based voice services.

I knew about the stop sell process, I did forget that it is happening in two parts ,Voice and then copper. As I have said a few times, voice going to digital makes no odds to me, but it may and will to some people. I amy at some point even get rid of the VoiP system, I hardly use it these days, I only had it when I went to wireless broadband, so it was cheap/free for my Dad to phone me. My brother for some reason seems to phone me on it for some reason.
i realise that nothing lasts forever and that the copper system in the UK is very old, but I thought Openreach updated all the Exchanges a few years ago away from the old mechanical switching system for voice? That is how they managed to shrink our exchange down to virtually nothing and have the Traffic cops sharing part of the building

You may not agree or like the way the providers are wanting to move customers to their full fibre products and how the product restrictions of copper based products at present but you've at least started the conversation in your own head with input from others here which in turn will hopefully prepare you for future progression on the transition to full fibre.

I don't care how broadband is delivered to me, I had wireless broadband, but I felt a need for that as my old ADSL service was awful, 3Mb/s if I was lucky, sure the Wireless network was only 10, but still better, well for a while, and then they could not cope with the amount of users. My problem or problems are
(1)I don't really want people mucking around in the house, one reason why I will not have a smart meter,
(2) changing to another provider if I need to is a pain in the neck as someone have to come around again to stick an ONT in, unless they send it these days.
(3) long contracts
(4) been reading of too many people having problems with installations and thereafter of both Openreach fibre and Zzoomm, my service is working fine and have been for a long time, just need to sort out the router.
(5) higher price for no gain and with long contracts, have to put up with prices increasing and not being able to do anything about it for 2 years, 18 months is bad enough

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by cymru123:

This means that once FTTP is available to you, your current provider may want to move you onto FTTP. Especially as Openreach have incentives to the provider for doing so e.g cheaper wholesale prices

But its not available to Adrian, and the whole thread is conjecture about what his current provider may or may not do, and what he may or may not do.

I gather from what you posted if you do absolutely nothing (e.g. let automatic price rises happen) and don’t choose to “recontract” or “upgrade” then its unclear if the provider will choose to cease/ terminate the service over FTTP. For most of us (with no sign of OR FTTP in town) this is likely a way off before we find out.

What is not available to me? FTTp from open reach is available to me, it was turned on a couple of weeks ago, maybe 3, my next door neighbour have got it installed as I saw them last week doing it, and she has the tell tail sign and the splice box on her wall and the extra cable

In reply to a post by cymru123:

You might be interested in this research done by OFCOM as part of the trials: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/research-and-data/telecoms-...

This is very interesting, I noticed in it the part that says
fibre migrators had not been
aware that they needed to plug the phone into their router or that their phone was not functioning.

That have happened on FTTC, my next door neighbour the other side of those that have had Fibre, had Sky FTTC and was never told that they had to plug their phone into the router. This is the problem when information is not passed on. I ended up having to redo their extension so they could have the router where they wanted it.


Also this
Digital voice’10 suggested some form of new service, but could also be
misunderstood to mean a service they already had (e.g. cordless phone or a mobile
phone). ‘Full-fibre’ was reported to suggest ‘fast’ fibre, but again, some participants felt
that they already had ‘superfast’ broadband (FTTC), which they assumed was the same thing.


Now that was and is the fault of openreach, I remember when FTTC first came here, and we had posters on the cabinets saying fibre is here, so people are bound to believe that what they have is fibre. Most people I chatted to around that time said they were having fibre installed, they were shocked when I told them it was not fibre, but a hybrid system, some still believe they have fibre. I was chatting to someone a few weeks ago at work and they were saying about Zzoom and they thought they already had fibre, so I had to explain the difference between full fibre and FTTC. People are also getting confused about openrerach and zzoomm.


Good link, pretty interesting,

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I thought Openreach updated all the Exchanges a few years ago away from the old mechanical switching system for voice?

If by "a few years ago" you mean "in the 1980's", then yes This 40-year-old technology is obsolete, expensive to maintain, and would be incredibly expensive to replace - for a service that generates declining revenue, in the face of OTT IP-based communication.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

(2) changing to another provider if I need to is a pain in the neck as someone have to come around again to stick an ONT in, unless they send it these days.

If you are switching from Openreach to an Altnet, or from one Altnet to another Altnet, then yes you will need a new ONT. However, you will also need a new fibre connected to a different network, so this is definitely not a "self install" - nobody will send you an ONT.

If you are switching between ISPs on the same network (e.g. Openreach to Openreach, or Cityfibre to Cityfibre) then no new ONT is required. The new provider will likely ship you a router which you plug in yourself and connect to the existing ONT. That's no different to changing providers on FTTC.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

(4) been reading of too many people having problems with installations

I don't think you'll find that postings on a forum like this are representative. The vast majority are installed without hassle, and nobody bothers to post about these. Openreach's FTTP network now covers about 9 million properties, with a 27.45% take-up rate, so that's over 2 million happy customers.

Still, maybe the next house you move into will have FTTP and smart meters already installed - and then you won't have to worry about the installation hassle.

Edited by candlerb (Wed 28-Dec-22 15:12:37)

In reply to a post by candlerb:

The vast majority are installed without hassle, and nobody bothers to post about these.

Was extremely pleased with mine, even wrote in to senior management at Openreach to give the engineer some well deserved positive feedback.