In reply to a post by cymru123:

Thank you for the rply and I have had a look with Duck Duck and have found some answers from different site, mainly ISP review

As for comparison sites, I tend to find they take some time to update when a new provider or offering becomes available. Also comparison sites don't really do an specific property availablity check so they won't know about any providers product restrictions or product priorities for the said property.

some will ask for the property number, others don't

As for some providers not yet showing full fibre product offerings to you, this depends on whether that provider is signed up to provide such broadband products over the infrastructure providers full fibre network in that area/headend exchange. It may take some time for providers to then be able to offer you such products if it's in their portfolio.

I know some don't offer FTTP like now broadband, but even Talk Talk don't offer me FTTP, not that I would go with Talk Talk, but I was just being nosy, so I thought it may have been something to do with their database not being updated, I presume the Christmas holidays and stuff like that would slow things down a bit, like it does with most things. Still impressed with how quick Vodafone got a leaflet to me., they were really quick on the ball.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Different full fibre infrastructure providers will use their own CBTs or connection points. If capacity is then full then an incremental build is done and another CBT installed on the pole depending on space.

I thought there would be two CBT on the pole, but I don't remember seeing two, but there must be, I will have a better look tomorrow if I remember. It was dark going to work and dark coming home, so I could not see anything today.
i have come up with something in my search that it is possible to run out of connectors on a CBT, but they will normally put a CBT on that is large enough to handle all users on that pole. I think there are about 9 users on the pole my line is connected to.

I had a look at a video of this FTTP route from the exchange and it seems it uses the same fibre that is used for FTTC a certain way and then split off, that is the Openreach version not the Alt network. Seems to be a lot of splicing involved and not one long bit of fibre which I thought it may be.
As I have said before i think the technology is amazing, certainly for Openreach, since they are normally behind in many things, but their network is not as good as the Alt network that is here.

As i have said before i am in no rush to go FTTP, but if I did, I would like to go to the Alt network we have, the problem is 24-month contract and I don't need the speed they have, if they had a lower speed like say 74Mb/s and lowered to price to suit then that would be better.

As I said thanks for the reply, i do find it amazing how much data can be sent down a thin tube of glass

You have a good evening if you are celebrating the new year and have a great new year.

Adrian

Have you ever researched logorrhea?

i do find it amazing how much data can be sent down a thin tube of glass

It isn’t a a tube, it is solid

Mostly. But there is also hollow core fibre - with higher performance…

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2020/11/hollow-co...

Microsoft recently bought Lumenisity the spinoff formed from the Uni of Southampton research team to commercialise the product:

https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2022/12/09/microsof...

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

i do find it amazing how much data can be sent down a thin tube of glass

It isn’t a a tube, it is solid

That is true, it is a strand of glass fibre.

I had a look at the pole this morning and there are two CBTs on it, One with conection points sticking out, I think that must be the BT one and one rectangle one which I presume is the Zzoomm one, I presume tit is a different make

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Mostly. But there is also hollow core fibre - with higher performance…

https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2020/11/hollow-co...

Microsoft recently bought Lumenisity the spinoff formed from the Uni of Southampton research team to commercialise the product:

https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2022/12/09/microsof...

I remember hearing about that and yes it had to be Microsoft that buys it.

Openreach dimension an area on the basis of a CBT port per SDU ( single dwelling unit ) , and in the main replicate the ‘demand’ placed on the copper infrastructure, so using a simple overhead service ( telegraph poles ) example,
A pole at the head of a cul-de-sac , services 12 SDU with ‘copper’ , then a 12 port CBT will suffice, if there were 14 SDU , a 12 and a 4 port CBT would be needed , if it were 8 SDU it would still be a 12 port CBT as although 8 port CBT are available, policy would be to use a 12 port and not intentionally max out an 8 port, if it were 7 SDU an 8 port is OK., there is always at least one spare CBT port on 4 or 8 way , a 12 port CBT , where the demand is exactly 12 is the only exception to this rule.

Other operators don’t necessarily have the same ‘universal service’ outlook, so if they had a certain size network to play with , using the same example , they could provide their equivalent of an 8 port , even though the potential demand is 12 , safe in the knowledge they are unlikely to ever get 100% take up , and even if they did get 8 customers on the CBT , any order from a potential 9th customer, they can simply refuse connection, something BT ( using OR ) as the USO provider cannot do, that’s not to say Alt Nets don’t dimension their networks for 100% of addresses, just that they don’t have to if it doesn’t fit in with any overall network size, OR network will always be ‘big enough’ to satisfy any demand , although if an area was dimensioned , built , and then someone builds a block of flats , that demand couldn’t be ‘serviced’ , but would be a ‘newsite’ anyway and picked up under that policy

Edited by Iniltous (Sun 01-Jan-23 10:01:17)

Thanks for the info Iniltous, there are around ten house served by the pole outside my house, three of them already on Fibre, one BT and the other others Zzoomm, might be four, but I can't see where I am.


I would be surprised if ZZoomm did not make sure they had enough capacity on the CBT, but with Openreach Fibre here as well, I doubt Zzoomm or openreach will get to full capacity on their CBTs.

i must admit I thought more people would have gone for FTTP when it went live, but then I suppose some like me are still under contract and Openreach FTTP have only been going for a few weeks. Maybe once the Holidays are over, people may start changing. Depends how pushy their providers are. Looking at what Wi-fi is available on my phone I notice there is a mixture of mainly BT, but also Sky and a Talk Talk, which is new as I have never seen a Talk Talk Wi-fi show up around here before.
The two Zzoom router show up which surprises me as I have heard the wi-fi on their router is awful and yet the one is across the road and the other is two doors down.

No flats up this road, there is in the next road down, little two stories flats.

We will see what happens in the next few months, I have half a year to decide what to do, but as I have said before I need to sort out the network first, I have a week off work in a couple of weeks I will take the TV extension sockets off and see if I can past a cable down there, the TV coax will have to stay there as the house is rented, but I can change the sockets if need be, just put them back on if/when I move. Social housing are a bit more forgiving than private landlords, that is how I could have a smart thermostat installed.

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

if there were 14 SDU, a 12 and a 4 port CBT would be needed, if it were 8 SDU it would still be a 12 port CBT as although 8 port CBT are available, policy would be to use a 12 port and not intentionally max out an 8 port, if it were 7 SDU an 8 port is OK., there is always at least one spare CBT port on 4 or 8 way, a 12 port CBT, where the demand is exactly 12 is the only exception to this rule.

Thanks for explaining, It accounts for the size of CBT I got which was previously a mystery.

In reply to a post by dect:

Thanks for explaining, It accounts for the size of CBT I got which was previously a mystery.

so this thread does have its uses