In reply to a post by zyborg47:

so this thread does have its uses

I'm glad I got something interesting out of 120+ posts in this thread during the xmas and New Year shutdown

We have had Brsk in the area, for the last 6 weeks, putting up the necessary fibre cables for FTTP. One knock on the door and presented with a flyer and another flyer through the letterbox a couple of weeks later. Not sure how anyone could be notified otherwise. I think I'll march down to Papa Johns and Domino's and demand they stop putting flyers in our letterbox.

No other FTTP supplier available as yet.

You have a choice for your own connections and that seems good.

Brsk are asking £22/m for a 100/100 connection but I'm happy paying £34 for 40/10 inc evening and weekend calls. I couldn't do with the hassle of saving money.

In reply to a post by broadband66:

We have had Brsk in the area, for the last 6 weeks, putting up the necessary fibre cables for FTTP. One knock on the door and presented with a flyer and another flyer through the letterbox a couple of weeks later. Not sure how anyone could be notified otherwise. I think I'll march down to Papa Johns and Domino's and demand they stop putting flyers in our letterbox.

No other FTTP supplier available as yet.

You have a choice for your own connections and that seems good.

Brsk are asking £22/m for a 100/100 connection but I'm happy paying £34 for 40/10 inc evening and weekend calls. I couldn't do with the hassle of saving money.

I don't have a problem with leaflets as long as it is not a load, Zzoomm have sent a few over the last few weeks I don't need a leaflet from then every week saying Zzoomm is available, I flipping know it is. they also sent someone around, but I was at work, total waste of time sending people around in the daytime unless they are trying to get the housewife that stays at home to sign up.
i know that is a bit sexist, but you know what I mean

i also realise that people move, and they may want to tell the new people that Fibre is available, but not one a week.

As for the leaflet from vodafone it was just a, I don't know, a light-hearted thing, it seemed very quick and from a company that have never sent any leaflet here since I lived here. Also most leaflets don't have my address on it, i had one today through the post from dominoes, well I think that is who it was from as soon as I saw pizza I chucked it in the bin,

I like choice and it is good that we have choice, but my choice is to stay where I am, at least until the middle of the year.

£22 for 100/100 is very good, but if i change to FTTP I am not saying money, unless I go for plusnet 36Mb/s FTTp and that is £21.99, so a saving at the moment of £2.59 a month, so is it really worth the hassle of getting fibre installed with the same speed I get now for a saving of £2.59 a month? I can save that in other ways, like having one less pint a month, That is a price of a pint in Spoons around here, £3 a pint if i go to a local pub that brews their own beer.


If I went to a higher speed, lets say Plusnet's Full Fibre 74, that will cost me £27.99, so no money saved there at all.
If i wait until my contract was over I could go to Zzoomm, 150/150 at £33 a month, again no money saved but a higher speed I don't really need.


So you saying "I'm happy paying £34 for 40/10 inc evening and weekend calls. I couldn't do with the hassle of saving money." is just trying to wind me up because If you change to BRSK you save a fair bit of money and get a faster speed. If I change, I save a piddly amount for the same speed and hassle of having Fibre installed.
See the difference?

But like you I don't need the faster speed. I only moved to FTTC during covid restrictions as the upload was terrible for video calls.

The £22 doesn't include a landline or evening/weekend calls.

In reply to a post by broadband66:

But like you I don't need the faster speed. I only moved to FTTC during covid restrictions as the upload was terrible for video calls.

The £22 doesn't include a landline or evening/weekend calls.

I presume you mean you moved to FTTP, not FTTC.

If the faster FTTC speed was available to me I don't think I would have bothered unless the price was ok,
I have to admit I was downloading some games yesterday and it was taking a long time and affected Disney+ streaming, I thought then maybe it would be nice to have better broadband, but then I just read instread. It is only once in a blue moon I have that problem and the only reason I downloaded a game is that I had a problem with it crashing, so I thought maybe it was corrupted so reinstalled it from steam.

But that did not put me in the mind to get FTTP, I could have waited until went to bed and got the computer to do it while I was asleep

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

If the faster FTTC speed was available to me I don't think I would have bothered unless the price was ok,

Many of my colleagues before the pandemic were on ADSL2+ with say 16 to 18 Mbps download, and under 1 Mbps upload. This was all they needed to remote work with email etc, but once we all started video calling during the pandemic, many upgraded to FTTC, often the 40/10 wholesale product, giving somewhere around 35 Mbps download, and somewhere from 3 to 8 Mbps upload depending on quality of copper and distance.

But that did not put me in the mind to get FTTP, I could have waited until went to bed and got the computer to do it while I was asleep

Then when its time to turn off copper in your road, you can switch from 40/10 FTTC to 40/10 FTTP and not notice any difference

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Many of my colleagues before the pandemic were on ADSL2+ with say 16 to 18 Mbps download, and under 1 Mbps upload. This was all they needed to remote work with email etc, but once we all started video calling during the pandemic, many upgraded to FTTC, often the 40/10 wholesale product, giving somewhere around 35 Mbps download, and somewhere from 3 to 8 Mbps upload depending on quality of copper and distance.

I could not cope with ADSL speeds, certainly not the speed I had here and even if it was a bit faster, I could stream, but in lower quality, but if there are people happy with ADSL then fine.

Then when its time to turn off copper in your road, you can switch from 40/10 FTTC to 40/10 FTTP and not notice any difference

It is more of the hassle of having people here, drilling holes, running cables around and that sort of thing, also changing the network around for no gain.

No we moved from ADSL2+ (16/0.8) to VDSL (FTTC) (40/10)

As stated by another poster, ADSL was adequate but then covid struck and Zoom/Teams calls were nearly impossible due to the lack of upload speed.

You bang on about your ADSL being awful and your current setup and speed is great and you don't require anything faster.

Our ADSL was great, our current setup is a lot faster and we don't need anything faster but sometimes things change.

Other users, like you, may have had rubbish ADSL, and due to the long copper part of their line their FTTC may have been awful as well so the next step is FTTP, which usually means much faster speeds whether they require it or not. Not having copper makes abig difference.

Ah right, I see, I suppose if you are close to the exchange then ADSL could be ok depending on what you are doing, I know a household still on dial up and one household that only recently moved from dial up., I put them on a mobile network. The ones that are still on dial up will hopefully be going to FTTP soon, as they have been told it will be available at the start of this year.
I changed from ADSL to a wireless network because it promised me better quality broadband, and also I wanted to get off the openreach network at the time. Sadly it only lasted for just 3 years, i moved after my two-year contract as they could not cope with the amount of users, By that time FTTC was here, plusnet were the only ones to give me a quick appointment as it was at the time when you had to have open reach come to sort it out, now FTTC is self installed. If Allpay had managed to keep up with the amount of users and put the price down a bit for a faster speed, I may still be with them now. I had 10Mb/s, but it cost me £29 a month.

Now things are a bit different, while I am better off money wise as I have got myself out of debt, I am now more careful with it and with the way the cost of living is going up I need to look at my monthly out goings. One reason why I am getting rid of Audible, once I picked the last three books, I can keep the books once they are picked, but I don't use it a lot., then maybe Netflix as I don't use that very often either.

I am not saying I will never go for FTTP, at some point I doubt I will have a choice, just in no rush, apart from these last couple days when trying to download a game to reinstall, and it did affect my streaming I do everything i need to do on what I have now.
The problem is I reformatted the game drive, now I have to download a load of them, for some reason they are not downloading at the speed they are supposed to, so even a faster FTTP connection is not going to make a difference.

i have around 6 months before I have to make any move, I got a few other things to sort out , so changing broadband at the moment is not important.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

The problem is I reformatted the game drive, now I have to download a load of them, for some reason they are not downloading at the speed they are supposed to, so even a faster FTTP connection is not going to make a difference.

Most internet services are rate limited, to provide more users with a service at the same time. The likes of Microsoft / Google downloads are much faster as they have installed capacity for many many more concurrent users.

Also any FTTP you choose does not need to be faster than FTTC, it could just be the actual 40/10 (allowing for TCP overheads) rather than the "upto 40/10" due to the way DSL works over copper. So no longer distance issues.

I understand Openreach offer the same options, but AltNets will do whatever they believe sells. The AltNet building here are offering only one service.