In reply to a post by jchamier:

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’m sure I’ve said this before in this thread, the benefit to YOU is:

Keeping your internet service when OR switch off copper.

Until then you can ignore FTTP from any provider.

I realise that at some point I will have to change and maybe better to get it over with now, well not now, but after March when the prices change. But it is the hassle that puts me off, as I have said before I don't care how my broadband gets to me, well to a certain degree, I went wireless for a while, that was different, not that anyone was really in the house for long as they just chucked the cable through a hole in the wall, on the roof yeah. I suppose that hole could be used for Fibre

Problem is, can you ignore it from any provider? I look at different providers now just to be nosy and up come FTTP, FTTC is nowhere to be seen or hidden, but normally nowhere to be seen. I think the only reason Plusnet offers me FTTC on renewal is because I have a voice service and Plusnet don't offer digital voice

In reply to a post by jpm:

Nobody is ever going to give you a reason that you feel is legitimate, so there's no point trying. Stay on FTTC for as long as you like, but please consider not posting about your decision every time the topic comes up, it's nearly as bad as Max constantly pasting in their FTTC stats in unrelated topics.

Eventually you will have no choice if you want to keep a fixed line connection - either whatever ISP you have for FTTC will not re-contract you on a copper service, or Openreach will withdraw it.

No one is going to give me a reason because there is no reason, it is no good saying I need to be educated and stop at that. Educate me.
But you can't because I have already come out with the reasons to go over to FTTP, which means i already know the reasons.

I don't like being pushed and I feel like i am being pushed to do things, not just fibre, but other things, like when shopping, pushed to use self scans and scan and shop. Pushed to use card payments even the drinks machine at work is contactless now, not that I use it. What happens when the card reaches the limit of contactless payments, and you have to put a pin in? it don't work as there is no pinpad, I have also been told that is the same on our buses as well, what a stupid idea.

Anyway, going on a bit of a ramble, I think some of this is to do with my anxiety, something which I was diagnosed with 7 years ago at 50 years old.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I know other people who are in areas where openreach have enabled FTTP and some have said that they feel like their broadband on FTTC have slowed down since as if to push them onto FTTP, I don't feel like that have happened here, My broadband is not behaving any different now than it did before. If providers did start to use some system to slow down people's FTTC broadband there would be a bit of a stink I think, it is not impossible, we used to have traffic management years ago.

I can understand your reasons for not wanting to upgrade to FTTP but the conspiracy theory stuff really is nonsensical.

Then you say you don't need educated because you know the difference between FTTC and FTTP.
I think you do need educated or you wouldn't make statements like that.

The opposite is more likely. With more people moving from FTTC to FTTP then FTTC sync speeds are likely to increase due to less crosstalk. Congestion issues on FTTC are less likely as there are less users sharing the limited bandwidth between the FTTC cabinet and the OLT.

On a technical level it would be very difficult for Openreach to do this anyway.
In many cases the FTTC cabinet connects back to the exact same OLT as the ONT does for FTTP.
It can be the same OLT, L2S, GEA Cablelink and same backhaul. It is often just a different customer VLAN running over the same hardware.

Openreach would need to design a system that checks every individual FTTC connection, see if that connection comes from a property with FTTP available and if it does slow down that connection.
All in the hope that the customer stays with Openreach and upgrades to FTTP.

What would they possibly have to gain from that? It's much more likely the customer being slowed down would simply change to another FTTC provider or changes network altogether to an Alt-Net.

Providers would sue the **** out of Openreach if they did anything even remotely close to what you're suggesting. They would also get hammered by the regulator.

I don't think I know any neighbours who even know the difference between FTTC/P. They all just think they have "fibre" already.
You have had FTTP available for a few short weeks yet you've already had multiple people tell you they feel they are being slowed down in some behind the scenes push to get them to move to FTTP.

Take a step back for a minute and think about what you're actually suggesting. Technically/logistically it would be extremely difficult if not impossible for Openreach to do this, especially to do so in a way that doesn't set off alarm bells with providers and/or customers.

They have a programme in motion that has been consulted on for years with the regulator OFCOM, providers and customers that will make a move to FTTP compulsory without the need for illegally throttling the connections of paying/contracted customers.

You're posting these bizarre theories across multiple websites/forums, even going out of your way to register on kitz forum last week to post something similarly whacky.

You're heading for max territory (no offense max) with some of your postings.

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In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:

Any idea what proportion of posts in the Fibre Broadband section in the last, say, 2 weeks have been from a single poster? I rather enjoying reading the responses, mind.

If only it was as simple as allowing someone to get it out of their system, once and for all.

The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks 😎

I've just looked at the size of this thread, the content, John's most recent post and after over 20 years same as ISPR which haven't used in 2023 time for this to join it. The box of trolls, weirdos and recta that have taken root in those virtually unmoderated platforms have taken this board's SNR to below being useful. While not the cancer the ISPR comments are it's looking precancerous.

Am on Kitz if you want to get in touch, Sir. It is both moderated and has a block button.

Kitz you say. I've registered but never posted. Any good?

Already done it. Pass some of the popcorn my way.

The slow-down thing was not my saying, it was other people who said it and they did not say it was openreach doing it they think it is their ISP, but as I have said myself I doubt they would do that it would cause a stink. I also did not say they were in the same place I live, I do chat to people in other towns and cities.

But saying that, it would not shock me if at some point providers don't use some sort of tactics to get people to change over. Look at supermarkets taking manned checkouts out to push more people to selfscan or scan and shop. Companies will try anything to i push/force/nudge people to using what they want us to use, look at banks closing branches and getting rid of cash machines to push/force/nudge more people to using cards or contactless. Tesco using lower prices to push more to clubcards. Sainsburys doing the same sort of thing to get more people to use scan and shop.

Companies do these things so if a ISP, did try and slow down traffic to people still on FTTC, it should not shock me one little bit, notice i said if.

I have been reading Kitz for a while, I saw that post so thought i would reply, what is wacky about
Why? It should be up to the consumer at the end of the day. Sure if everyone in a city is on fibre and there are only a few left on FTTC then maybe I agree with you, but until that happens, people should have the choice and not be forced to move by increasing prices for FTTC or making out that there is a fault that can't be fixed.

Ok, maybe the part about the fault not able to fix is a bit, but again this is how companies work, there would be no proof that Openreach can't fix a fault.

Take the situation I was in around 5 years ago,
a few weeks after i recontracted the phone line went dead, it was fixed but for some reason the ECI modem I was using with the hub zero had stopped working, I borrowed a Huawei modem from my neighbour as they had a home hub from BT and it worked. Plusnet was in the process of sending me a new hub, so I kept my neighbour's modem connected until I go the new hub and that did not work either. So plusnet sent Openreach down here 3-4 times I think to try and sort it out, but they could not, then plusnet sent me the Zyxel , which worked for a couple of weeks and then stopped connecting, so I borrowed my neighbour modem again and until I was able to source my own Huawei modem from Ebay.

Now if FTTP was available here then and the complex repair thing was in place, do you think Openreach would have come down so many times to try and sort out the problem? Their own equipment would not sync which confused them.

I don't know what they did or when, but for the last year everything syncs again, even the old ECI modem. I thought maybe they changed the cabinet from Huawei, but I learnt on here they don't do that, so maybe they had a fault and had to replace something that sorted out my problem.
Anyway, the thing is, I doubt openreach would have bothered so much if FTTP was available here at the time.

Ofcom is a complete waste of space and if they told me the sky was blue I would have to go a look for myself.

But at the end of the day it should be up to the consumer to a certain degree, i agree that at some point we will all be on FTTP, which is what I said to my next door neighbour a few days ago, they are not going to change unless pushed because they have less reason to go for FTTP than me. they have Sky q, but they don't watch on demand stuff, to be honest I wonder why they have Sky in the first place as all they watch are the normal Tv channels most of the time and I think they have true crimes on now and again and the only other thing that is connected is an Echo dot and a tablet, plus their phones, so they won't change i doubt until they are pushed.
I would change to FTTP before then.

I agree with you about with more people moving from FTTC to FTTP then FTTC sync speeds are likely to increase, I doubt it will make any difference to me as I am on the edge of the distance from the cabinet to me of getting a pretty decent speed, I get a constant 36Mb/s, not that I am constantly test the speed, but when I do, it is always 36Mb/s. I tested it a couple of days ago when I thought something was going strange as a game downloading seemed very slow, but all was fine, so I took it that the server I was getting the files from was on a go slow.


As for Kitz, you and your buddies are safe there, the site is too old, out of date with news and is not worth bothering with

Sadly I have raised several times before the fact that this forum is no longer moderated to a level that prevents the issues you have highlighted happening. We once had Andrew doing a level of moderation but that is now a thing of the distant past.

You're a top-top bloke Carl and this forum is clearly worse off without your expert knowledge and contributions.

I did look for an ignore option the other day, that would improve things a lot

In reply to a post by jpm:

I did look for an ignore option the other day, that would improve things a lot

I believe management have a way to hide posts from selected people for you that you can request but its not something you can manage yourself sadly