In reply to a post by jchamier:

Not the case, my flat was valued higher than those about 6 miles away that have no Virgin Media in the road (and FTTC is about 20 Mbps). Compared to mine with Virgin in the street and around 40 Mbps FTTC.

In times gone by higher speed ADSL attracted a premium, those whom could get 15+ Mbps could get a few thousand on a house price.

Talk to some estate agents 😂

The other half house is still worth the same now as it was before she had fibre.
Maybe your flat is just in a better place, with more resources. A few years ago the houses in my street cost more than those in the street behind this one, I don't know why, but they did. I don't normally look at prices of property as I rent, and I doubt very much if I am going to buy this late in my life unless I win a lot of money. Even if the other half move and I move in with here, it is still her house, not mine

I was chatting to her on skype this afternoon, and we were talking about different things, and she said I should go for fibre, but then she should get a Mac as well, just decide and do things. I am too indecisive, and I don't disagree with her

An 80 mile/day commute is well into charging every other day territory for the average EV, the other option is to fit two chargers and current limit them so they might only draw 20A each but will still charge at a rate high enough to replenish any usage from the previous day. A 40 mile commute seems a bit of an outlier though so the chances of two of them being in one household is even rarer.

I'm not convinced having fibre increases the value of a property any more than statistical noise, but I am sure that not having good internet options severely limits who would be interested in buying the property in the first place, which has the effect of lowering the value so the end result (better connected houses being worth more) is the same. I know I wouldn't buy a house that only had FTTC, things seem so uncertain at the moment as well that I wouldn't trust any providers plans for FTTP either, I'd want to see it built.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

But, people don’t live at the same address forever do they ?

If the copper is left in situ, then providing service is quick and easy when needed.

Dumb really having all these FTTP suppliers rolling out all the way to the properties.
One fibre back to a central node where it can be patched to the various suppliers who have a presence at this common node.

+1 point to point dark fibre to the node would’ve be a lot better. Could still be done on future on Openreach. The most difficult and expensive leg (premises to splitter is effectively a point to point architecture) - the exchange to splitter leg would need a few more high density ribbon fibre spines.

I'm not sure you have understood my point, my house had copper, it now has copper and fibre, but it's only got one 'cable' from pole to house, it's a 'figure of 8' cable, my nabours both side have FTTP, they also have only got one cable, I've not studied theirs, but guess the copper was removed when fibre was installed, So if all 10 houses in your street get fibre from OR, even if they retain copper as a hybrid like mine, then there will still only be 10 connections to the pole.

In reply to a post by neo_wales:

With more and more people working from home an FTTP connection has become an important factor when moving and I can see how it would add a few quid to the price of a prospective new home.

…. and then use your EV to nip down the supermarket later.

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In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

But, people don’t live at the same address forever do they ?

If the copper is left in situ, then providing service is quick and easy when needed.

Dumb really having all these FTTP suppliers rolling out all the way to the properties.
One fibre back to a central node where it can be patched to the various suppliers who have a presence at this common node.

+1 point to point dark fibre to the node would’ve be a lot better. Could still be done on future on Openreach. The most difficult and expensive leg (premises to splitter is effectively a point to point architecture) - the exchange to splitter leg would need a few more high density ribbon fibre spines.

I'm not sure you have understood my point, my house had copper, it now has copper and fibre, but it's only got one 'cable' from pole to house, it's a 'figure of 8' cable, my nabours both side have FTTP, they also have only got one cable, I've not studied theirs, but guess the copper was removed when fibre was installed, So if all 10 houses in your street get fibre from OR, even if they retain copper as a hybrid like mine, then there will still only be 10 connections to the pole.

Yeah the point of which @Zarjaz was making which is less to do with the “zero sum game” from Openreach in respect of their own copper, come fibre infrastructure…but rather duplication of drop cabling when AltNet no 1, possibly AltNet no 2 etc start installing their own respective drops.

Or “do a SwissCom”, which is a point to point dark fibre network which ANY provider can lease for ANY of their own product to shove down the pipe from GPON to 100G Ethernet if they wish. Same tails to each property rather than a separate one from each discrete AltNet.

Anyhow horse bolted. Gates shut. Etc 🤣

Edited by Pheasant (Wed 08-Feb-23 23:56:15)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

good move, one of the downsides of living in a flat. However I wonder how multi-car homes will charge 2/3 or 4 cars overnight from one socket… for those that do the 80+ miles/day commute…

Yep, never thought of that, but you are right

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by jchamier:

good move, one of the downsides of living in a flat. However I wonder how multi-car homes will charge 2/3 or 4 cars overnight from one socket… for those that do the 80+ miles/day commute…

Yep, never thought of that, but you are right

There are EV chargers available that can be daisy chained off a single power supply which I guess offers a solution.

The problem I have with my house is the parking space is in front of the house separated by an access path so having a home EV charger is a bit problematic.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

In reply to a post by jpm:

That's how the majority of Switzerland has been done IIRC

It has always seemed like the most sensible solution to me.

Call me cynical, but perhaps why that hasn't happened is that it opens the door to 'fibre LLU' as they have in Switzerland. 25G domestic services for £60 per month. Excellent for the customer but I fear it would eat into Openreach's leased line revenues.

It was definitely a consideration when I bought my house. The FTTC speed wasn't anything to write home about but the area was in Openreach's FTTP rollout plans.

I've noticed recently that just about all the letting agents that own properties on the estate have had FTTP installed and are including internet access in the rent.

In reply to a post by simon194:

There are EV chargers available that can be daisy chained off a single power supply which I guess offers a solution.

That would work.

The problem I have with my house is the parking space is in front of the house separated by an access path so having a home EV charger is a bit problematic.

Hampshire council is letting people use cable protectors, but other councils are refusing, e.g. York.
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