FTTP Installs by Sky

I gather Sky now perform the ONT installation on some (all?) FTTP installs where they are the ISP ?

So where's the demarcation point between them, and Openreach. Do OR still go from the 'street DP' and install the CSP, and Sky come along afterwards and splice into that ?

Yep, but I believe the demarcation point would still be the ONT

Yes, because that's still OR's 'device' I presume ?

So, on such an install, presumably OR leave the copper in place, as they are coming in advance of switch-over day (from FTTC to FTTP) and the copper presumably remains in place until it falls down/rots away etc ?

In reply to a post by broadbandjockey:

So, on such an install, presumably OR leave the copper in place, as they are coming in advance of switch-over day (from FTTC to FTTP) and the copper presumably remains in place until it falls down/rots away etc ?

One of my friends had Sky Fibre installed in Dec, and the copper phone service was left active. No idea when Sky intend to switch over to the voice port on the Sky Hub/Router.

Sky engineers do not have the authority to remove Openreach copper.

No but they could move a BT phone plug (431A) from the openreach copper wall box and plug it into the back of the router/hub.

My installation a couple of months ago saw the BT engineer arrive on a Sunday to install the cable from the pole to a grey box on the outside. The Sky engineer came the following Wednesday to run the fibre from the grey box on the wall to fit the ONT, in a position of my choice. The copper wire is still there and will be for a few years yet apparently..

In reply to a post by Discus:

My installation a couple of months ago saw the BT engineer arrive on a Sunday to install the cable from the pole to a grey box on the outside. The Sky engineer came the following Wednesday to run the fibre from the grey box on the wall to fit the ONT, in a position of my choice. The copper wire is still there and will be for a few years yet apparently..

According to an Openreach engineer, who was running some fibre to another pole a while ago, he said they will eventually remove the copper. Maybe they will get removed as a job lot and then sold.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Yep, but I believe the demarcation point would still be the ONT

That is what I thought, the ONT belongs to Openreach, just like the master socket does,.

Why do sky have to send people around after? If the ONT is in place and working, then all people have to do is plug in the router. No different to what we do with FTTC and ADSL.

I have heard that Openreach will stick the ONT as close to where the fibre comes into the building as possible, in other words if you want it anywhere else, tough.,

I went to a friend's house a few weeks ago and saw a ZZoomm installation, amazing the fibre comes from the front of the house, though the cellar, up the stairs of the cellar and into the dining room at the back of the house to the ONT. Openreach would not do that, they were not happy that they had to move the splice box at my brother's house as they put it in a stupid place

Openreach will put the ONT more or less where you want as long as the ISP has ordered the correct installation. The services are:

FTTP

For our standard installation, our engineers will:

- connect an optical network terminator (ONT) within 1m of the nearest 13amp power socket and up to 10m from where the fibre enters the building
- run any external cable needed to reach the nearest suitable fibre entry point.
- connect your customer’s router next to the ONT
- connect one device – a set-top box, PC, laptop or smartphone. They won’t connect games consoles, Wi-Fi extenders or mesh network devices, dongles or any other devices which are specific to a communications provider. And they must have been connected to the customers’ network previously.
- upgrade a master socket to the latest NTE5c design if needed

For our premium installation, our engineers will:
- connect an optical network terminator (ONT) within 1m of the nearest 13amp power socket and – if needed - more than 10m and up to 30m from where the fibre enters the building.
- Run more than 15m of external cable to reach the customer’s preferred fibre entry point.
- connect your customer’s router next to the ONT
- connect up to three devices – a set-top box, PC, laptop or smartphone. They won’t connect games consoles, Wi-Fi extenders or mesh network devices, dongles or any other devices which are specific to a communications provider. And they must have been connected to the customers’ network previously.
- carry out Voice Re-injection Installation (VRI), which uses existing internal wiring to make use of traditional telephones.
- map Wi-Fi to help customers find the strongest signal
- upgrade a master socket to the latest NTE5c design if needed

Edited by jpm (Thu 30-Mar-23 09:23:58)