In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

Will customers still be able to use their own routers other than by double NAT?

Depends on the router the CP supplies you with. I read the new Plusnet Hub 2 has a bridge mode. Virgin Media's router for example (Hub 3 and later) have phone sockets and modem mode. Using your own router doesn't disable voice services. Other CP/ISPs with less good hardware will cause the double NAT...

Or you forget the idea of a 'landline' which myself and many households have done.

In reply to a post by The_Voyager:

Don't know if this has been answered elsewhere.
This thread has got me wondering, we are all Broadband people but what about people who do not have Internet of any kind, but do have home phone lines using BTs copper service, what will happen to them when BT removes the copper lines

I doubt many people have a landline just for the home phone these days, but those who are, will be provided with a router to plug their phone into. That will carry on using the FTTC system or ADSL. Copper lines will not be removed for these people. By all accounts Copper lines will be with us for years.

My problem with that is no back up and some systems that rely on the phone line may not work. But the only people it will affect is those who have a new phone service or recontract. For a few years, anyway. the problem is, I expect BT is going to make sure they give small contracts for home phones

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

And if the customer has a VDSL or ADSL service then what?

No difference, the analogue landline phone is connected to the router, the router connects to the wall port as before. The internet continues... only the voice service ("PSTN") is changing.

PSTN shutdown is not connected to FTTP rollout.

In reply to a post by The_Voyager:

Don't know if this has been answered elsewhere.
This thread has got me wondering, we are all Broadband people but what about people who do not have Internet of any kind, but do have home phone lines using BTs copper service, what will happen to them when BT removes the copper lines

I presume this is why there’s a 0.5Mbit option available from wholesale.
A very slow data service aimed at voip only lines

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Or you forget the idea of a 'landline' which myself and many households have done.

I like have several VOIP DECT phones that ring as I can find one of them and the don't rely on a poor mobile signal

I actually took redundancy just after BT took over just when the were planning on shutting most of the International exchanges in London and going over to computer type operator stations in Mondial House (the white wedding cake next to Cannon Street Station which was full of asbestos, had great fun as Union H&S rep, it's gone now as well) instead of the old cord boards

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

I like have several VOIP DECT phones that ring as I can find one of them and the don't rely on a poor mobile signal

I use a mobile phone in a room with no external signal in my office... WiFi makes the connection for me.

In reply to a post by broadbandjockey:

Which reminds me, weren't Ofcom supposed to announce this month the procedure to be able to port out your 'landline' phone number to a Third Party VoIP supplier, without it killing your broadband service ?

Not heard of this one, but it would be good if it did happen. I had to wait till I got FTTP installed to transfer my landline to 3rd party VoIP. I complained to Ofcom at the time, and their reply said that they recognised the problem but fell short of actually promising to do anything about it.

Was it part of the one touch switching thing, due to come in 1 April, which has been delayed 'cos lots of ISPs aren't ready?

In reply to a post by jchamier:

I use a mobile phone in a room with no external signal in my office... WiFi makes the connection for me.

that is slightly different lol

In reply to a post by Taras:

that is slightly different lol

Not really, any modern UK mobile service should have a WiFi Calling option to solve the problems of poor signal indoors. The latest building methods and insulation decrease reception indoors significantly. WiFi Calling transparently means the mobile "just works" when on the home internet.