Does anyone call Screwfix , Kingfisher Screwfix , or B&Q , Kingfisher B&Q ?, the ownership of Openreach is not in question , but it’s a fact is there is no BT Openreach .

I find it interesting that BT say they offer uploads of up to 220mbits and how
this is perfect for gaming when their domestic products only allow up to 110mbits
Do they think people in businesses game?

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

Does anyone call Screwfix , Kingfisher Screwfix , or B&Q , Kingfisher B&Q ?, the ownership of Openreach is not in question , but it’s a fact is there is no BT Openreach .

Different thing, Bt took the BT name of Openreach, so people would not think they still belong to BT,

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

If you bought something from Screwfix , and someone asked where you got it , would you say B&Q or perhaps Kingfisher after all aren’t they all the same ?,
AFAIR, weren’t you once a Plusnet customer , did you refer them as BT Plusnet , or just Plusnet , your somewhat irrational distaste for all things BT presumably lessened to the extent that you could use PN without feeling dirty by holding onto the fact that PN are operationally separate, much like Openreach in fact ,

i used plusnet because they were the only provider that could get me broadband quickly at the time, it certainly was not the first choice and the reason i stayed with them was mainly laziness and they did offer a service that was ok.

It did not really matter where I went, they all used Openreach network, so all linked to BT in some way, the problem with broadband in the U.K is that it is all large companies, apart from the odd one and sadly the prices for them is over the top.

Do I feel dirty from using plusnet? no. there are a few companies around that I prefer not to use, but sadly I have little choice. one way or another. British gas owns the gas network and yet it don't matter what provider I go for, I still have to use British gas network

As for BT and openreach being separate, they are both owned by BT group, so are the same company, no matter how much they try to fool people.

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

I don't care who is in control of whom, but to be fair while Openreach is a separate company, BT PLC are in control of it (please read on) shown below.

Good list of the legals. You don't mention the undertakings agreed with Ofcom (the regulator) that required BT Group to "structurally separate" the Openreach organisation. The understanding is that BT Group were not required to divest Openreach as the income from the network division is/was required to fill holes in the pension fund (that some could say was related to political interference decades ago).

Yes, its more complex then the legal ownerships.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Different thing, Bt took the BT name of Openreach, so people would not think they still belong to BT,

No they didn't.
BT did what they did with Openreach because OFCOM mandated they do.

https://www.openreach.com/news-and-opinion/2020/Supe...

The big re-brand challenge

For the last two years, we’ve removed thousands of BT logos from our vehicles, uniforms and buildings, and we’ve brought the new independent Openreach brand to life.

As part of our commitments to Ofcom, we promised to do this within three years, but we’ve done it one year early, updating 27,907 vehicles, 42 offices, 33,479 pass cards and 1,531 web pages in the process.

Edited by j0hn83 (Tue 23-Jan-24 13:46:50)

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Do you call them VW Skoda then ?

VAG, every time. They don't like it (it's more or less obsolete now) but when my own particular brand is annoying me, they will always be called VAG.

In reply to a post by ParksidePeter:

Some strange comments on this. I wasn't complaining, although I 'haven't' registered to receive information from BTO, not having any reason to do so, but I thought it might be possible that there would be some interest in what BTO was saying about Fibre broadband.

I would take it with a pinch of salt anyway. I received this 4 years ago:

Have you heard the news?

We are very happy to let you know that we've recently announced plans to start upgrading the network in xxxx, and our initial planning work will include your street. In the near future, you may see people working on behalf of Openreach in your area. Be sure to say "hi" if you see them.

And four years later? Diddly squat. In fact, my whole estate has ended up being "de-planned" with no date at all when it might be done, despite literally every street surrounding it having had fibre for years now.

FWIW, YouFibre dug up my street this week. (which I'm extremely happy about, incidentally!)

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

Does anyone call Screwfix , Kingfisher Screwfix , or B&Q , Kingfisher B&Q ?, the ownership of Openreach is not in question , but it’s a fact is there is no BT Openreach .

Oh I never said there was.

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Paul

In reply to a post by PaulKirby:

In reply to a post by Iniltous:

Does anyone call Screwfix , Kingfisher Screwfix , or B&Q , Kingfisher B&Q ?, the ownership of Openreach is not in question , but it’s a fact is there is no BT Openreach .

Oh I never said there was.

You rightly quantified the connection between BT and Openreach but to call it BT Openreach or simply BTO which some are doing is not correct.