People want better upload for home NAS server streaming straight to TV in every rooms

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

In reply to a post by Taras:

pricing alone will make them pointless to an extent.

Ah yes well the commercials and pricing as always will be 'interesting' when they do get announced. My guess is that they wont announce anything until Ofcom publishes the initial TAR output in Spring '26.

suspect some of the product tiers will be the same price or priced within a pound of each other. Part of the reason of the forward release is that to allow isps to make sure they upgrade their pipes and to have that ready.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

they will run the combo pon spec for quite awhile - maybe into 30s.

No reason why not, as long as they can get Nokia to supply their own equivalent for at least a two-supplier alternative. Otherwise the existing WDMs in the optical distribution frames beckon.

in theory combo pon doubles the amount of connects on the current infrastructure - so 32 users on gpon and 32 users on xgspon. There is lots of good reasons to run multiple fibre standards thru one glass fibre. The downside is the extra cost.

Bt (not sure if it was bt or ee) did this burst offer say 500mbits in the first month if you had a lower package. I could seem them doing on demand burstable packages - more geared to smes i guess but i can see the marketing logic for that.

i hope or retires g.fast after enabling all g.fast areas to fttp

In reply to a post by Taras:

they will run the combo pon spec for quite awhile - maybe into 30s.

Depends. These faster and symmetric tiers are reputedly only available in greenfield, government-supported rollouts. They *could* choose to run only XGS-PON in these areas.

The flip side is, they could delay rolling out XGS-PON to the existing FTTP network for quite a long time.

Initially as a ‘trial’ (from 2026 as it reads from their end of February press release on GPON symmetric) that certainly looks to be the case.

How quickly they decide to spin this out across the whole network is debatable: really when, not if, I believe.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Here is the Openreach XGS-PON Supplier Technical Information Note with all the speed tiers, including 2.5 and 3.3 Gbps symmetric tiers.

I do wonder how they came to these 'prioritised' rates. On xDSL these were actually the Committed Information Rate, which was the bandwidth guaranteed when using Ethernet products over this, eg EoFTTC / EoFTTP etc. 'Prioritised' suggests there's no longer a guaranee and also the bandwidth's are seemingly all a bit arbitrarily defined.

Would love to see some insight into this and how this should be diced and sliced.

Personally I'd take the 2.488gbps/1.244gbps bandwidth across GPON and 9.952gbps on XGS-PON and divide by 32 (their max split) which equates to 77.75/38.875 on GPON and 311mbps on XGS-PON and align products on a fixed multiple (say 4x) of these values. So speeds up to 311mbps on GPON and 1.244gbps on XGS-PON. Anything faster on these techs is just selling old rope imo and slamming straight into a very hard wall.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

People want better upload for home NAS server streaming straight to TV in every rooms

Fewer and fewer people run home NASes these days. If you ask Mr & Mrs Average, they are streaming from Netflix / Amazon / Apple / Spotify etc.

And in any case, if you have a home NAS, you don't care about Internet upload, since the content stays local.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

People want better upload for home NAS server streaming straight to TV in every rooms

That doesn't make any sense,

"you want higher upload speed for a home nas to serve a lan"

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by Taras:

they will run the combo pon spec for quite awhile - maybe into 30s.

Depends. These faster and symmetric tiers are reputedly only available in greenfield, government-supported rollouts. They *could* choose to run only XGS-PON in these areas.

Do we actually know that, we know the 1g/1g is gpon and type c project gig areas but is the xgspon the same.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

The flip side is, they could delay rolling out XGS-PON to the existing FTTP network for quite a long time.

yes but i don't think they would have released the sin document so early. I suspect the trial will be based upon any in field issues such as isp routers, deploying of the xgs-pon onts(that said they've done 1gbit to 2.5 ont swaps) etc And also any other random issue that they hadn't thought of. It is their first fttp transition product.

If or hadn't had altnet xgs-pon competition then i'd agree with "we streatch out g-pon as long as pos" type thing.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

And in any case, if you have a home NAS, you don't care about Internet upload, since the content stays local.

Most people with a NAS do care about upload speeds as they store their offsite backup's in the cloud (thats if they follow the 3-2-1 backup principle).