A friends poor connection - Help

Good morning, I'm after some assistance in getting a friends internet connection back to something half decent for his location. He is out in the country side. His connection is pretty poor at the best of times and I believe he has ever only had about 2Mb line tops.
I pulled his stats and they are as follows.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hdyD7Qz.png[/IMG]

There connection comes in on a drop wire through the roof. There are no extensions on it, Just the main cable going to another box in his living room with everything connected onto that. Any thoughts on what to advise him on how to improve his connection?

From what I remember, He said both him and his neighbours were experiencing dropped connections quite often.

We tried a quiet line test but to be honest, I can't really remember what the results were after about 8hrs of drinking beer. I can get him to retest though and try anything suggested on here.

7 - 8 Meg expected.

Has he tried test socket & QLT as I recommended you on previous occasion?

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

7 - 8 Meg expected.

Has he tried test socket & QLT as I recommended you on previous occasion?

Hi xrayspex,
Yes we tried that and if I remember right, We could not hear anything specific. We dialled 17070 and got very different options from when I done it on a Sky enabled line.

I could not see a NTE5 master socket. From what I could see was the line came in through the roof and had a very old looking connection box which then had the 'extension' connected directly too it being fed into the living room. He is on holiday all week so I will need to go round and do further digging. I have sent him the Kitz ADSL help guide to go through before I go out to see if he can pin point any wiring issue.

mis-post please delete.

Edited by glossywhite (Tue 15-Jul-14 15:15:09)

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

7 - 8 Meg expected.

Has he tried test socket & QLT as I recommended you on previous occasion?

My friend is in his loft at the minute and has found the drop wire connected in terminal blocks. Two wires connect to two cores going one way and the other two go to another two cores going down a different cable. I gather this is maybe just an old connection but did read something about star wiring or whatever?

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7 - 8 Meg expected.

We are still waiting for the parts he ordered when I started this thread so no further ahead in terms of doing any work or me going round for a look.

Strangely enough his stats have changed from

Down speed: 345kbps, Noise Margin: 10.3dB, Line Attn: 41.5dB
Up Speed: 595kbps, Noise Margin: 14.2dB, Line Attn: 24.4dB

to the following

Down speed: 6482kbps, Noise Margin: 14.4dB, Line Attn: 43.5dB
Up Speed: 1076kbps, Noise Margin: 5.7dB, Line Attn: 23.1dB

He said his internet seems even more unusable now with these stats and actually has to use edge/3G network on his phone as his broadband connection wouldn't even let him Whatsapp the screenshot over to me.

He is now getting almost the expected sync for his line & has moved up to G992.5(ADSL2+).

What are the full router stats now & Time Connected from initial Status page? Need to see how any errors are mounting.

Slow throughput may be due to congestion at exchange. What exchange?

Also run the TBB speedtest and post its link to result.

Edited by XRaySpeX (Wed 06-Aug-14 20:04:22)

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He is now getting almost the expected sync for his line & has moved up to G992.5(ADSL2+).

What are the full router stats now & Time Connected from initial Status page? Need to see how any errors are mounting.

Slow throughput may be due to congestion at exchange. What exchange?

Also run the TBB speedtest and post its link to result.

Well spotted. Someone else commented on the ADSL2+ on another thread.
I have no idea. It was just a snap from his camera phone sent. I'm hoping that his items arrive this week so I can get over this weekend at some point to get fired into it.

His exchange is NSUDN (Udny)

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His exchange is NSUDN (Udny)

Ugh! That could explain everything. That's outside EE's Network Area. They throttle heavily at those and you pay for the privilege .

When's his contract end? Best if he migrates to another ISP.

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In reply to a post by michty_me:

His exchange is NSUDN (Udny)

Ugh! That could explain everything. That's outside EE's Network Area. They throttle heavily at those and you pay for the privilege .

When's his contract end? Best if he migrates to another ISP.

I heard that they throttle badly but didn't realise it would be that horrific. I'll find out asap. I told him to move from them ages ago. Maybe got a good price for it. I'll get a speed test done too.

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In reply to a post by michty_me:

His exchange is NSUDN (Udny)

Ugh! That could explain everything. That's outside EE's Network Area. They throttle heavily at those and you pay for the privilege .

When's his contract end? Best if he migrates to another ISP.

Ok,

All wiring changed and replaced with CAT5e cable. Half the stuff was chewed through.

The stats I now have are as follows:

Down speed: 4539kbps, Noise Margin: 7.7dB, Line Attn: 42.5dB

Up Speed: 1024kbps, Noise Margin: 5.4dB, Line Attn: 22.7dB

I'll attach a screenshot shortly.

Ugh! Much worse than before! Still not getting what he should.

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Ugh! Much worse than before! Still not getting what he should.

No but it is usable. So would this be down to orange capping the line or would we see this in the noise margin if that was the case? Orange said to him he is already getting the max.

They could still be banding him in the 6th band here: Banded Profiles while they weren't in the previous set of stats. However I'd expect to see the NM much higher.

Orange CS are notorious liars!

Edited by XRaySpeX (Mon 11-Aug-14 19:58:48)

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They could still be banding him in the 6th band here: Banded Profiles while they weren't in the previous set of stats. However I'd expect to see the NM much higher.

Orange CS are notorious liars!

Hmm I really don't know what to advise him now to be fair.
I've asked him to screen shot me some stats after a week or so to make sure its not dropping or whatever.

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They could still be banding him in the 6th band here: Banded Profiles while they weren't in the previous set of stats. However I'd expect to see the NM much higher.

Orange CS are notorious liars!

Screen shot of the stats here.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/3oGjjfk.png[/IMG]
My concern after looking again is the amount of interleaved path FEC correction. The Brightbox had only been on approx 5 minutes.

Edited by deleted (Tue 12-Aug-14 08:06:17)

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They could still be banding him in the 6th band here: Banded Profiles while they weren't in the previous set of stats. However I'd expect to see the NM much higher.

Orange CS are notorious liars!

And Stats after about 24hrs.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8PxfHuq.jpg[/IMG]

Slow & a whole lotta FECs.

No harm in trying a reboot to see if it'll go faster.

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Slow & a whole lotta FECs.

No harm in trying a reboot to see if it'll go faster.

So what causes the FEC's? Still a problem on the line?
Like I said on the EE forum, I think I'll set up some more routers to try as I don't have much confidence in the brightbox.

Try to get it on Fast Path rather than Interleaved and you won't have any FEC errors cuz they not checked on Fast Path.

Your FECs might not matter as LoS = 0 & ES are low.

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Try to get it on Fast Path rather than Interleaved and you won't have any FEC errors cuz they not checked on Fast Path.

Your FECs might not matter as LoS = 0 & ES are low.

That probably won't happen as he is on a market 1 exchange with no LLU options. I'm guessing it is a resold BT product.
I'll leave it a week or so and see how he gets on with it. Thanks for the help so far.

What won't happen? BTw's DLM does select Fast Path if it wants too. I'm on it.

Still think its worth trying a reboot.

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What won't happen? BTw's DLM does select Fast Path if it wants too. I'm on it.

Still think its worth trying a reboot.

Oh I never realised that! I thought they were always interleaved.
It has been that long since I have been on a BT product.

I'll get him to do a reboot.