Regarding changing to Gmail or similar, I have considered that route; but I have many Contacts in my Address Book; and have had the same address since about 1998, so not really an attractive proposition.

Correspondingly, my Address is scattered globally in the many other Address Books of my Contacts.

Also, it appears that the same could happen at any time, to any e-mail provider.


Surely ORANGE should have sent out WARNIBGS, particularly when it was realised that "sorbs" was continuing to have this effect.

And I would hope that HOTMAIL and the "sorbs" organisation would have been able to respond much more quickly, after Orange had taken corrective action.

It seems extremely irresponsible in this day and age of allegedly almost instant communication, that this situation has continued so long.

Hotmail in particular has been a problem for years.

I now email them using my Hotmail account.

The other day I had same problem sending to btinternet.

Also last week I had quite a few bounce backs of emails which I had not sent to .ru addresses.

Keith

Edited by deleted (Sat 23-Jul-11 09:47:02)

wrong, no network need to accept email or data it does not want to carry

the following faq explain it well

http://www.spamhaus.org/faq/answers.lasso?section=Le...

I have a Right to send email to Spamhaus's users!
The rights of every email sender end at the outer boundaries of every recipient's domain. Spamhaus blocklist users have the right to deny access to their private mail servers on their private networks to any sender, for whatever reason. You may have a legal right under certain jurisdictions to send email to our users, but our users have no obligation whatsoever to accept it.

A few years ago I worked for a company doing B2B products and they would not accept any mail from Hotmail, Yahoo, Gmail or other 'free' accounts due to the amount of spam in general that is sent from those addresses.

The block also cut down the number of fraudulent orders that being placed, Nobody was saying that free email account users all commit fraud, but that any reputable business would have a domain name of their own to send mail from.

I binned my Hotmail account many years ago as I hit a similar situation, trying to order something and used my day-to-day address (Hotmail.co.uk). The order was rejected, but happily accepted once I used an address at my own domain. I decided then that I didn't need that hassle. I sent everyone on my address book a message to let them know, I don't think I lost any friends.

As for bouncing messages to .ru addresses, I get loads like that. These days I look after about 25 domains and spammers will use almost any address, resulting in stuff coming back that's supposed to have originated from TheManager@ my domain or even silly character strings like aowmKq6BQ1@ something. I know I haven't sent it out. Most of it gets filtered out as I simply junk messages that come to unknown names. Again, I've not lost any contacts through doing that as everyone who needs to contact me will use an address I've given them.

Afternoon Cobra001

You are correct where a PRIVATE MAIL Server handling e-mail addressed to an Employee of that company and using that Company's Address, can be blocked by that company if it believes that Spam or other unwanted Mail is being received or generated.

It is for that private company to control; and it could even choose to abandon e-mail altogether, if it so chooses.

But the Mail Servers of Public Carriers should NOT be blocking other Public Carriers unless they can prove that the other Public Carrier itself is actually generating Spam, as opposed to simply forwarding the Spam messages originating elsewhere.

Note that you yourself have used the phrase-
"
Spamhaus blocklist users have the right to deny access to their PRIVATE mail servers on their PRIVATE networks to any sender, for whatever reason.
"
"PRIVATE" = My Emphasis

And I Agree with that statement!

That is exemplified by the fact that I have my own local BLOCKED List.

It is two PUBLIC CARRIER Mail Servers that are the subject of the Thread - NOT PRIVATE (Company) Mail Servers.

I would be amazed if any of the Public Carrier Mail Servers do NOT have any Spam e-mails passing through them.

So taking your logic to the extreme, every Pulic Carrier Mail Server forwarding Spam, should be blocked - bringing the global e-mail service and facilities to an end.

Can you name any of the Public Carrier e-mail Servers that are/is in your opinion and experience, either totally free of Spam; or has it at minimal level, say 1% of traffic, by any measure that you choose to use?

Correspondingly, can you guarantee that any Mail Server, Public or Private, is not handling Spam IN or OUT, whwther it using Spamhaus or not. That is, can Spamhaus be used to prevent Spam goint OUT as wells as coming IN?

And are you aware of any significant Public Carrier Mail Server using such Out-Going protection?

Now that would be a more advantageous and efficient way of working, freeing a lot of the Web's capacity for genuine traffic!

And as it would be within the originating Public Carrier Mail Server - before "pubkication" on the Web, it could be done legally within the Contract to Individual Users.

I have submitted a formal written complaint to Orange. Their reply was a brief letter that included, "It's a massive issue that's effected (sic) a number of our customers". Has anyone got anything through to Hotmail users yet? Orange seem determined to keep us all in the dark about the problem.

Yes, from my Orange SMTP to my Hotmail a/c and back from Hotmail's POP3.

Never ever had a problem with it.

It's not just Hotmail. Orange support state that they block access to all non-Orange smtp servers, so anyone visiting my house and using my wifi can't send an email unless I give them my Orange smtp login details.

This is [censored] ridiculous!

In reply to a post by keybaud:

they block access to all non-Orange smtp servers

The OP made it clear that he was talking about Orange's own SMTP server.

Most ISPs, not just Orange, block others' port 25 SMTP to counter spam. For Hotmail (& others), they do provide a non-port 25 SMTP that can be used from any ISP.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

In reply to a post by keybaud:

they block access to all non-Orange smtp servers

The OP made it clear that he was talking about Orange's own SMTP server.

Most ISPs, not just Orange, block others' port 25 SMTP to counter spam. For Hotmail (& others), they do provide a non-port 25 SMTP that can be used from any ISP.

I'd not previously had an ISP block access to my domain name email provider before and this included Pipex and UKOnline (easynet now part of Sky). Before the increasing use of smart phones, tablets and laptops this may have been a suitable thing to do, but times have moved on. The problem isn't bypassing the block on my email provider, as I can set that up, it's the problem of reconfiguring every device that anyone brings to my house that needs access to a non-Orange smtp server.

The Orange support desk claim that they don't block any ports, which is a half truth, as they block port 25 to any location except their own smtp server.