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Standard User glossywhite
(newbie) Tue 07-Feb-12 21:00:31
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Re: BrightBox Experience


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post] 		 
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Yes, it looks mostly good, but ...

Find that wireless strength is very variable over time. From upstairs it varies from 1 to 4 bars within secs. Never experienced this with DG834GT which was steady 3 to 4 bars.

It is bad that they hardcoded MTU max to 1492. It clashes with my XP setting of 1500 which was tuned to my DG834GT in conjunction with the BT WBC connection.

Further Negative: Can't tweak NM unlike DG834Gv4 & DG834GT.

Fancy continuing to use the DG834G V2 all this time! It is an ADSL1 only router. No wonder your download speed was limited to 8 Meg. Of course that is no competition for the BrightBox, but the DG834Gv4 & DG834GT most certainly are.


Hi there. I am working on hacking the Bright Box, slowly but surely. Having backed up ALL the /www/ folder, using serial console, I can tell you that a search for the string "1492" returned this, if it's any help to a javascript expert:

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matt@matt-Aspire-X3950:~/Desktop/Bright Box/www$ strings -f * | grep "1492"
atmint1.htm:                    if (f.ATM_Protocol.value==4 && parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)>1492) // adjust MTU to maximum valid valueatmint1.htm:                            f.pppoe_mtu.value=1492;
atmint1.htm:                    if (f.ATM_Protocol.value==4 && parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)>1492) // adjust MTU to maximum valid valueatmint1.htm:                            f.pppoe_mtu.value=1492;
atmint1.htm:            if(isNValidNum(f.pppoe_mtu.value)||(parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)>1492)||(parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)<576)){atmint1.htm:            if(isNValidNum(f.pppoe_mtu.value)||(parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)>1492)||(parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)<576)){
atmint1.htm:            f.pppoe_mtu.value="1492";atmint1.htm:                            <td class="tdText"><input NAME="pppoe_mtu" TYPE="text" VALUE="1492" maxlength=4 size=4 class=txt1></td>
atmint.htm:             if (document.BRNTForm.ATM_Protocol.value==4 && document.BRNTForm.pppoe_mtu.value>1492) // adjust MTU to maximum valid valueatmint.htm:                     document.BRNTForm.pppoe_mtu.value=1492;
atmint.htm:             if(isNValidNum(f.pppoe_mtu.value)||(f.pppoe_mtu.value>1492)||(f.pppoe_mtu.value<576)){atmint.htm:       if(isNValidNum(f.pppoe_mtu.value)||(f.pppoe_mtu.value>1492)||(f.pppoe_mtu.value<576)){
atmint.htm:             f.pppoe_mtu.value="1492";atmint.htm:                             <td class="tdText"><input NAME="pppoe_mtu" TYPE="text" VALUE="1492" maxlength=4 size=4 class=txt1></td>
atmpvc.htm:                     if (f.ATM_Protocol.value==4 && parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)>1492) // adjust MTU to maximum valid valueatmpvc.htm:                             f.pppoe_mtu.value="1492";
atmpvc.htm:                     if (f.ATM_Protocol.value==4 && parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)>1492) // adjust MTU to maximum valid valueatmpvc.htm:                             f.pppoe_mtu.value=1492;
atmpvc.htm:               if(isNValidNum(f.pppoe_mtu.value)||(parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)>1492)||(parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)<576)){atmpvc.htm:             if(isNValidNum(f.pppoe_mtu.value)||(parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)>1492)||(parseInt(f.pppoe_mtu.value,10)<576)){
atmpvc.htm:             f.pppoe_mtu.value="1492";atmpvc.htm:                                             <td class="tdText"><input NAME="pppoe_mtu" TYPE="text" VALUE="1492" maxlength=4 size=4 class=txt1></td>
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 07-Feb-12 21:20:04
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Re: BrightBox Experience


[re: glossywhite] [link to this post] 		 
Interesting!

Such code (looks much like C to me) is to be expected.

Good luck! Would be interested to know how I can get into it.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User glossywhite
(newbie) Tue 07-Feb-12 22:02:28
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Re: BrightBox Experience


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post] 		 
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Interesting!

Such code (looks much like C to me) is to be expected.

Good luck! Would be interested to know how I can get into it.


I've cracked it! You can now set the MTU to a value of 1500 (or more? Not sure how high MTU is supposed to go). I am currently uploading my screencast to YouTube; you'll need Firefox installed, and the Firefox plugin "Live HTTP headers".

Here is how you do it... EASY:

Orange "Bright Box" router: How to increase your ADSL MTU *beyond* the fixed 1492 value

Edited by glossywhite (Tue 07-Feb-12 22:24:20)


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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 07-Feb-12 22:33:44
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Re: BrightBox Experience


[re: glossywhite] [link to this post] 		 
Very clever!

I was after a more general way of getting into it. Do you have any standard way of accessing it like TELNET?

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User glossywhite
(newbie) Tue 07-Feb-12 22:35:56
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Re: BrightBox Experience


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Very clever!

I was after a more general way of getting into it. Do you have any standard way of accessing it like TELNET?


"More general"? You can only telnet into it, once you have launched "telnetd", using the serial pin header, on the board. Telnet does not launch on boot. I am sure I will find a way round, though.

What I have shown you is far easier...
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 07-Feb-12 22:56:03
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Re: BrightBox Experience


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You can only telnet into it, once you have launched "telnetd", using the serial pin header, on the board
Let me understand this? You are saying that you would need to 1st launch a TELNET listener/daemon within the BrightBox and you do this by making some physical/electrical connection to some hardware on its PCB?

Forgive me, but we are not all familiar with the innards of electronic contraptions. It's out of my scope; I would prefer to handle it by software.

Yes, what you showed us is good and easy, but it only fulfils 1 specific purpose.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User glossywhite
(newbie) Tue 07-Feb-12 23:04:00
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Re: BrightBox Experience


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In reply to a post by glossywhite:
You can only telnet into it, once you have launched "telnetd", using the serial pin header, on the board
Let me understand this? You are saying that you would need to 1st launch a TELNET listener/daemon within the BrightBox and you do this by making some physical/electrical connection to some hardware on its PCB?

Forgive me, but we are not all familiar with the innards of electronic contraptions. It's out of my scope; I would prefer to handle it by software.

Yes, what you showed us is good and easy, but it only fulfils 1 specific purpose.


I made the video to address the specific complaint of someone not being allowed to change the MTU higher than 1492. I didn't specify or intend to address anything else tonight. I don't expect everyone to know how to serial into a router.

If there are any complaints regarding the functions of the hardware, maybe they'd be better addressed by Orange themselves. I take my own free time out to do this, and nothing can be expected of me, as much as I love doing it, and helping in the process. When I know, you'll know. You could always try and learn, if you want faster results (and yes, I know it's a steep learning curve).

If there is anything else you need help with, please write a list, and I'll see what I can work out.

Edited by glossywhite (Tue 07-Feb-12 23:08:03)
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 07-Feb-12 23:56:46
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Re: BrightBox Experience


[re: glossywhite] [link to this post] 		 
It seems I asked too much, but I did not intend to place any expectations upon you.

All I am interested in is whether the BrightBox is capable of something like Netgear DG834GT's TELNET/BusyBox CLI so I can just play around with it.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User glossywhite
(newbie) Wed 08-Feb-12 00:15:51
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Re: BrightBox Experience


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post] 		 
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It seems I asked too much, but I did not intend to place any expectations upon you.

All I am interested in is whether the BrightBox is capable of something like Netgear DG834GT's TELNET/BusyBox CLI so I can just play around with it.


It has busybox & telnet, yes. You just cannot use them from the outside world (yet) until you activate telnetd via serial. You'll find most Linux-based routers have busybox.

Edited by glossywhite (Wed 08-Feb-12 00:16:58)
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