Battlefield 3......Im Not Convinced?

The more i see the less impressed i feel..........More Alpha Footage

Dont know if its a naff video or the fact its Alpha code but it looks like it runs extremly slow with a laggy feel to the look of the game.

Its early days and i may be nit picking but im more pumped for MW3 so far.

Edited by time2die (Thu 21-Jul-11 19:22:18)

Me too. That looked naff in the main part.

It wasn't helped by the overly high contrast - you couldn't make out the dark shadows and as for graphics, blurgh!

What's with using a sniper rifle like that? Running around as if it was a shoot-from-the-hip one shot assault rifle and downing people with no recoil or anything. In the other video I linked to, you could see how it took 3 or 4 shots to bring someone down with a sniper rifle from afar.

There was a total lack of destructability of environment in that console version segment of video. The APC ought to have been able to plough through so much of that scenery (or at least damage it) it was daft.

And then there's the total mimicry of MW it was just wasn't funny. DICE should stick to doing Battlefield games not copy MW's formula. If we want to play MW we'll buy MW3. My worst fears confirmed. Don't dumb BF down!! I feel like screaming at DICE. I bet the PC version will be a bodged up port too and take months or years (like Crysis 2) to finally get higher res textures or even any proper DX11 support.

All they're doing is copying Modern Warfare. So disappointed.

On the brighter side, at least it is only alpha footage but that doesn't excuse the blatant MW rip off gameplay. Defusing? Where's the flags man? Where's the squad/commander rose? That map looked pretty ropey really. A lot of the foliage was extremely one dimensional and completely inexcusable in this day and age. Do they think they are programming for the PS2 or something?

The other players acted like AI in the main, that is completely dumb and oblivious to danger. I hated those animations right towards the end. What's with the stupid rag doll flying into the air effect with that guy getting shot by an automatic rifle? He wasn't being blown apart by high explosives or RPG'd or something. And why the gratuitous 'being knifed' animation? Not what I wanna see when someone has pulled off a knife kill on me really.

Yeah, there were moments of slow down that indicated the hardware was struggling to maintain a decent framerate. Those graphics were largely naff too. No destructability in sight (well apart from the ridiculous trees wholly uprooting themselves and unrealistically floating down to the ground like that after being grenaded.

Well, forgive me for being so negative. This doesn't feel like Battlefield to me at all. Hopefully DICE will produce a finer product towards release date or at least continue to patch the game and provide a much better multiplayer experience after release. Bah humbug.

The knife kills were hilarious as there was not one spec of Blood.don't know if this was console footage or what but it does not say to me ....Oh My God i must pre/order this.

When watching the first PC shots of the single player game i was blown away but after seeing various footage of multi player part of the game it fails to inspire.

I am hoping the finished product reproduces some of that shine from the single player part of the game reproduced in the Multi player because after all most buy FPS for the online mode and not single player................

As Odd Ball said in Kelly's Heroes..............Have a little faith baby,have a little faith........................Mines fading fast

Edited by time2die (Fri 22-Jul-11 00:03:01)

Kelly's Heroes, my dad's favourite film. Donald Sutherland was great in that.

Can't remember seeing any blood in BF2 actually. Strange how I never even noticed its absence. I like a bit of gore. Not excessive but realistic blood and some nice guts and bits of skull and brain tissue scattered about would be nice.

If it wasn't for the amazing single player footage that first came out and the 3 or 4 months or whatever it's gonna take to finish the game before it's released, I'd have seriously considered cancelling my preorder.

Sigh. Can't anybody release a decent game sequel anymore?

Soldier of Fortune 4 would be nice. Not the abomination that was SoF3. I thought BF3 would be a rubbish cash, hence why they are hammering the pre order side.

Funny, I was thinking of SoF2 when I wrote that about blood and guts. Fond memories of dismembering enemy corpses I still have today.

Never played SoF 3 tho... one to avoid then!

It's a bad capture & poor encode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhBjBy5OOFY&feature=f... (1080p) shows what it should look like.

Well, that looks a bit better. Still don't like the way it resembles the more arcadey MW ranchise though.

EA is ultra conservative over blood in their games, in BF2 there wasn't much blood either, their scared of ratings boards that or its awaiting another pass where it'd be added.

Either way the only thing holding me off battlefield 3 is EA's constant bullshittery with Origin, i really DO NOT like that service, theyre going the no steam route? i think i might just pass it cause of their arrogance.

You want to know what takes the [censored] about origin? after 2 years of you not playing a game they delete it, its gone, no longer available for you to play, you have to rebuy.

Can't see any mention of deleting games you've already paid for but not played in 2 years on EA's Origin site. Can you link me?

It's not mentioned in their ToS.



After using the original EA download service for when Northern Strike came out for BF2142 and all the problems I had with that I never wanted to use a download service from EA again, especially when they later announced you had a maximum number of times to download something you'd paid for.

You need section 5, not 10

http://www.thegx.co/news/1524/ea-will-delete-origin-...

Origin is still the EA download service, its branding has constantly shifted (EA download service to EA link to download manager to EA Store then to EA Downloader (still with store though) and now were at Origin, same [censored] different label) , except now EA has seen how much Steam is pulling in and is expecting to replicate it.

If EA had started to gradually introduce Origin then fine fair enough to them, but at the moment theyre so aggressively striding a head, going against what consumers want and shoving it down their throat saying you will use it and we'll charge whatever we want for unique versions of stuff on it, then it can only end one way, and if they carry on with it i'll gladly say get screwed EA and go else where. As ive said before, indie devs on the PC are churning out far more unique and impressive games than EA could ever hope to.

its not a very good encode and difficult to judge but i definitely would like to see some MW3 multi player before pining my colours to either game , so September is said to be when there doing the Multi player reveal .

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

And then there's the total mimicry of MW it was just wasn't funny. DICE should stick to doing Battlefield games not copy MW's formula. If we want to play MW we'll buy MW3. My worst fears confirmed. Don't dumb BF down!! I feel like screaming at DICE.

I'll join in that scream. Please don't make a MW clone
Battlefield is way beyond MW

If they are trying to copy MW then they are doing a bad job because that is fast and frantic and this looks really slow and sluggish............

Don't know why so many Knock MW games because in my opinion they are everything i look for in a FPS minus the hackers ?

I'm not knocking MW at all just saying Battlefield ought not to ape it. They don't need to.

Battlefield has its own style of play, which used to work well for me. BF2, BF1942, (and BF2142 less so).

MW is a great game so if you want to play fast, frantic then go play MW. Just leave it out of Battlefield please. That's the message I'm putting across not that MW is bad in anyway as I don't play it online and don't have an opinion on it.

Edited by deleted (Fri 22-Jul-11 18:16:51)

Heehee. Was a little shocked to see my own words coming back at me. Screamed indeed? But yeah I guess I would love to shout in DICE's collective lugholes and tell 'em to frickin' stop what they're doing and pull out all the MW stuff. Get back to basic BF play! And maybe even knock a few heads on desks to the tune of Battlefield 1942 intro music to ram the message home, eh? Why not?

Da dum dee da da da. Da dum dee da da da. Pah pah pah per pah paaaaah!

Battlefield 1942 intro theme

Really gets me emotional [gulp]. Every time I hear it, I wanna play!

They're very restrictive and unfair terms aren't they. Just slightly one sided.

So Origin is the evolution of the kerappy EA link/download thing. Are these updated ToS conditions only recent?

I know I haven't accessed my EA link account in quite some time so wouldn't be surprised to find the content has vanished. It was only the expansions for BF2 and 2142 and they're free now anyway so no harm done.

Were EA to withdraw my ability to play any game I've bought on CD like BF2 etc then I would go apeshit at them. How dare they.

I don't read terms and conditions as a general rule but of course were Steam to update its own terms of service agreement to effectively say a big fat f-u to its customers and that they can do whatever the hell they like with what I've paid for then I would not be a happy bunny.

I'd never buy anything direct from EA just cos I know what a bunch a greedy fuggers they are, they always have been since the likes of John Madden's and NHL sports franchises got big and earned them super bucks. If they playing about with our ability to play BF3 or BF2 then there won't be any paying customers left for them.

I'm starting to sway towards Red Orchestra 2 myself. Looks like it's shaping up really well.

Not saying you dislike it Spook its just a general negativity to most things MW and not just on these forums but on many other gaming websites.

What makes me laugh the same people that dish the dirt are usually first in the queue to by the game .

Yeah I know mate. People will moan and still pay to play. It's the same with anything really. We all lot a grumble don't we. It's just the need to distinguish between fanboyism and griping that concerned me.

We can all gripe but only a pillock will consistently deride another game/whanot and though you see that an awful lot on the web I didn't think it really applied here to be honest. Anyway, bunch of hypocrites that we are, BF3 will likely give some pleasure for a while. I mean, it's only a game innit? Not a way of life. Or something you have to commit to that costs an extraordinary amount of investment in time and money. Oh wait... !

In reply to a post by time2die:

If they are trying to copy MW then they are doing a bad job because that is fast and frantic and this looks really slow and sluggish............

Don't know why so many Knock MW games because in my opinion they are everything i look for in a FPS minus the hackers ?

I used to like that style of FPS
But now I'm more matured I prefer having to think about what I'm doing instead of constant spawn die spawn die

Spawn killing has always been a issue regardless of what fps you play,its right what you say regarding spawn then die and repeat over and over but that is just bad development and a little thought could put this right.

I love everything that is decent regarding FPS and i for one will buy both,having said that and only seen limited amount of Online play of Battlefield 3 even though its suppose Alpha code it does not grip me like the awesome single player footage from a few months back.

Have yet to see anything regarding MW3 so i may or may not have similar thoughts about this game,only other bit of game play i have seen apart from Single player is survival which is very much like spec ops and the idiot playing it was rubbish.

Actually i think it was Ricky Gervais so that about sums it up and he was a guest on some stage show with that Bowling[402] guy from the few left from Infinity Ward

Edited by time2die (Sat 23-Jul-11 09:35:31)

I think it was Simon Pegg mate, and yes he was bl**dy useless. A waste of a good opportunity to see the thing in action.
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Your right mate it was.,don't think he ever played a game in his life and not a good representative to have playing your game.

It's not so much spawn killing, it's just more you spawn then you're dead because the maps are too small

According to the EA NDA, i'm allowed to say this:

1) There is an bf3 alpha

2) I'm in it


Thats about all i can say...

You had better get your facts straight T2D, coz if YOU say no, the game won't be released - You have dat powah!

No, but if you say no - it's generally got to go to the bargain bucket. I'm just glad that I don't pay console prices for games.

Steam prices can suck so, I may start buying the games on CD/DVD and putting the serials into Steam - it may be an option? Naaar.

Baaah. Baaah. Blaaargh..

Its like most games to be honest Guesty,we see the first footage and we all say WOW then later when the months roll by we see console versions and it don't look so good,then we are told that the console version run at 30fps and we get a little more disillusioned.

Then we see a few not so good videos of multi player and the worry starts to creep in even more...............Not saying the game looks bad and i am sure that i will be buying it but like most games i doubt it will live up to the high expectations we were expecting when we all for the first time saw that awesome single player footage on a high spec PC................

A solid 30 fps will be fine mate. Or should be. Trouble is you want that to be the lowest frame rate you get.

So I don't know anything about the issues involved but from my limited tech knowledge it means in the trade off for those missing 30 fps that you'd have if it were 60 frames per second, you'll have some graphical goodness and maybe a fair bit of destructability in the process. This should hopefully wring every last bit out of your console. Nothing to be sad about (unless your frame rate becomes unplayable of course!)

Knowing you, if Battlefield 3 turns out to be faithful to other Battlefield games in the series we will all be happy but you won't! You never liked them much anyway did ya so if, as it seems (from my last bit of moaning above), it turns out like COD MW then chances are higher you'll be at least a little bit happy depending on what DICE finally cook up for us hungry FPSers.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if you're not satisfied to be honest. That said, you should get some mileage out of this title in single player at least. But judging that last map I wouldn't say the multiplayer was going to do it for you (or me for that fact). It looks like DICE are watering down the BF formula to appeal more to the COD fans and in so doing won't fully satisfy them unless it becomes a total clone. And if they achieved that it'd be a VERY sad day indeed for us Battlefield vets.

Most console games you play already are running anywhere from 25-60, mostly commonly around the 35-45 mark, the reason you don't notice it is because it stays consistent, if it where to vary then yes you'd notice it. If BF3 can sustain 30 constant then theres nothing to worry about. IIRC isn't RAGE only going to run at 30fps? or is the game game due out after it?

From everything DICE/EA have said/shown the destruction in BF3 will be greatly increased, for this to be done and maintained then some compromise will have to be made to keep the packet sizes within the size restrictions of sony/microsoft.

I suspect a few people here wont like battlefield 3 if it turns out to be more battlefield 3 than COD, for those of us who dont like COD we'll relish in the good ole days of big maps and vehicles out of the wazoo.

In reply to a post by FireFalcon:

IIRC isn't RAGE only going to run at 30fps?

It's going to maintain 60fps on all platforms. Carmack insisted on it.

Must be the one afterwards then, i remember carmack saying something how something will run 60 others will run 30

Yeah i will hold my hands up and say i have not been blown away regarding Battlefield games but i am hoping i will like this one based on that single player footage.

I understand that a constant 30fps is not a problem and i am not worried about that but others are apparently.

Im still well and truly on the fence with regards both games , i refuse to except disappointment , so if i don't expect to much , i cant be disappointed .

Truth is , I mainly play COD , its a quick fix i enjoy and i like the small maps as its easy to pick up pinch points and rake up the kills .

On the other hand , i have also enjoyed what Dice have brought to the table with there games and im really looking forward to how there new game engine runs .

As i do enjoy the squad based tactics , just not how the game felt , BF with COD movement appeals to me and would see my time spent playing the game , much more evenly split between the two titles .
Which in my eyes " would enrich my gaming time " as having two titles i enjoy the same , is better than one .

My mate knows someone that works in a game shop who has played BF3
He reckons on the PC you can shot a single leaf off a tree, on 2360 or PS you can only shoot off a clump of leaves.
He says it's amazing

Hope it is Swanny as i want both B3 and MW3 to be massive and live up to the high expectations.

Since i watched a ropey multi player alpha code of the game it had me a little worried but nobody who loves FPS will want either game to fail.

Tut tut NDA breach

Two of my mates have Beta codes for ps3
I don't
I don't suppose anyone here would have a code that I can use pretty please??

He's wrong. It's amazing graphics (ie things destroyable etc) but gameplay, pfft, they may as well named it MW2.1.

Don't know what's wrong with developers today, most of the ones with money thrown at them wouldn't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to the FPS genre.

I think it'll tank on the PC.

Which means it'll be a massive hit on the console.

Edited by SamsonUK (Thu 28-Jul-11 19:40:06)

Maybe I'll just stick with BFBC2 then or maybe start playing BF2 again as I've just found out about a mate that is playing it

What do you think is so CoD about it? it doesnt play at all like COD its more a bf2/bc2 hybrid

I think it's more I'm bored with the modern warfare theme that seems to be the in thing, not so much the play style.

The map I played felt really small, I like big maps. There was way too much cover. The whole thing just felt like they'd filled it with pretty stuff just for the sake of it.

Me and Spook tried going back to BF2. I think he enjoyed it more than me.

Too many niggles put me off:
-getting on the same side was a nightmare
-issues with running Teamspeak and BF2.
-dolphin divers
-more dodgy dolphin divers
-did I mention dolphin divers?

all that and some players are blatantly dodgy.

Let the moaning begin.................Come October and November when probably both games will fail to live up to the hype generated and both get below average reviews for the suppose 2 big blockbusters for winter 2011....

When was the last time you sat there Gob Smacked when loading a game up and thinking this is awesome................

Some people are going to think that Battlefield and MW3 are superb and others will moan and groan saying it the same as the previous game and it don't look that good and whatever................I'm hoping that its not me saying this and i hope both games keep us all happy regardless of what is your personal preference.

After watching a lot of footage of Dead Island i am more excited about this than both the for mentioned games.

Personally i'm a MW lover and prefer the faster pace that is a MW game,got nothing against Battlefield but i have tried and i do not generally get on with the game and quickly turn to MW for my FPS fix.

Hoping the next installment of Battlefields convinces me otherwise.

Edited by time2die (Fri 29-Jul-11 14:07:50)

Theres only 1 map at the moment and its rush and its 32 players.

TBH its not exactly the best showcase but the alpha isnt meant to be a showcase, its meant to see how it works on a wide range of configs and test the back end server stuff.

The map might feel small but IMO its a better rush map than most of BC2's it feels more "believable".

The perennial problem of joining a server that:

- isn't full
- has the map/size/mode of play (friendly fire/vehicles etc) you want
- is relatively local and playable
- isn't empty!
- and yes, getting on the same side!! Such a fundamental thing to want when playing with people you know
- isn't populated by a bunch of cheating twits
- doesn't crash or get owned by hackers every 5 minutes
- your computer/connection doesn't crash to desktop or drop out!

I am veteran of playing BF2 and BF1942 online and trying to hook up with mates is and always has been an absolute nightmare, to the point it is utterly futile if there's more than 2 of you or you're trying to shepherd a few newcomers onto the servers with you. The stress that creates is just silly, I bet it would be far easier to be an air traffic controller on a day with both tons of freshly fallen snow on the ground and a major Icelandic volcano eruption!

Well, we did play Wake mate. And that map is one of the worst for uneven gameplay depending on whether your team has the edge or not as the games always play out unevenly. It gets really frustrating if you can't even reach the island without being shot down by the flyboys. So much wasted effort it isn't even funny.

The best scenario for playing online is to settle on a server with a good map rotation and fall into a squad with a good bunch of guys who are communicative and committed to playing the game as it is meant to be played: ie, with a focus on capturing and keeping flags and not just for personal gain (finding a nice spot to do some spawn killing from).

I think some of the urban maps like Mashtuur City and Sharqi Peninsular have had the best battles for me but trying to find a decent server can be very challenging especially if you are looking for more than 2 empty slots.

Yeah, far too many niggles with playing this game with buddies. I don't know if there are any games that aren't a complete nightmare to co-ordinate some nice online play out there? Is it better with consoles I'm wondering? As that could make a huge difference if it was.

Counter Strike.

I say that because the game gives you the option of the team you want to play on, has radio commands with obvious objectives that people partake in.

BC2 did bring the fantastic 'join your mates squad' button which is like a godsend for a BF game. ^^

With Steam, there is the option of seeing servers your friends are on. Apparently Origin is trying to skip this step and bring the join friend outside of game.

This is worrying, EA are trying to run when they can hardly walk.
I'm betting BF3 needs Origin to work.

Noone can answer that question except some EA person, anyone who dares tries to comment on it from the alpha would be giving misguided and potentially highly flawed info

EA isn't just trying to run before it can walk, its trying to compete in the entire olympics before it can crawl properly. Their ambitions for Origin are too high and theyre pursuing them too aggressively.

Origin is going to end up being more of a sack of rubbish than it is now. Whilst i use steam on a regular basis and the the obvious comparison is there for them, Steam is in a league ahead of it, so is impulse, even xfire is ahead of it, the only one close to what Origin is GFWL or Ubisofts Uplay and we all know how much the world loves GFWL/Uplay.

In reply to a post by time2die:

Personally i'm a MW lover and prefer the faster pace that is a MW game,got nothing against Battlefield but i have tried and i do not generally get on with the game and quickly turn to MW for my FPS fix.

Hoping the next installment of Battlefields convinces me otherwise.

Sorry but I hope it doesn't
I like BF the way it is and don't want it to appeal to lovers of MW

Yep i'd really prefer to keep the identity of the 2 games seperate, i like both styles of gameplay but preferably not a mixture of the two, i'm absolutely loving battlefield bc2 at the moment with a couple of mates, makes all the difference when you're in a good squad!!!

People do know the alpha model that was being played was made back in Febuary so its a very old model, the open beta will be a better version of the game to judge how good it will be.

100% agree Jorkila, that's the reason I love BFBC2 so much because I play it with my housemate and my 2 other friends and it is just the most fun when playing in a squad. Playing alone is no where near as good, I think COD is good for lone wolf players but if you want to work as a team then BF all the way.