3D gaming TV AMD help

Hi just been looking for a new TV and although i was not looking at 3D specifically i cane across this TV on ebuyer cracking value it says its 120hz and in description says Available in HD 3D YES, dose that mean if i use a AMD 5xxx-7xxx card the TV would work with 3D (like Nvidia vision) or even be able to use with Nvidia 3D vision (i prefer Nvidia cards) im in the market for a new card and if this TV dose support it i might as well get a card that also supports it and use it for films/games just use a xbox control when wanting to play on TV loll, cant find much info about the TV on google so thanks for any help

Ash

EDIT

Seam to of found it after all after manually looking on there site via their menus Think this is it

Edited by acpsd775 (Sun 25-Nov-12 17:15:03)

Don't know about this but it might be best to check either Nvidia or AMD's 3D vision support sites.

Here's Nvidia's

As you can easily imagine, their list of supported HDTVs is really short as manufacturers never bother updating their support sites properly. If it were me, I'd try to find out exactly what requirements were needed to support 3D gaming from either manufacturer to see if there is something more to it than having just 120Hz support.

AMD 3D

But as the price is pretty low, perhaps you could take a gamble or just ask Ebuyer if it would be all right to return the telly should there be a problem. Likelihood is they'll say no of course.

Then there's the AV Forums which are a great resource for this kind of question.

Lastly, Trusted Reviews sometimes review decent quality low budget televisions so might be worth quickly checking them out too. Again, there might be further issues to think about such as input lag, backlight issues (as 3D with glasses on requires often quite dark glasses on so you need a brighter set). I guess you also need an active 3D TV and not passive? Y'see, I bet you know a lot more about it than most of us do really.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Don't know about this but it might be best to check either Nvidia or AMD's 3D vision support sites.

Here's Nvidia's

As you can easily imagine, their list of supported HDTVs is really short as manufacturers never bother updating their support sites properly. If it were me, I'd try to find out exactly what requirements were needed to support 3D gaming from either manufacturer to see if there is something more to it than having just 120Hz support.

AMD 3D

But as the price is pretty low, perhaps you could take a gamble or just ask Ebuyer if it would be all right to return the telly should there be a problem. Likelihood is they'll say no of course.

Then there's the AV Forums which are a great resource for this kind of question.

Lastly, Trusted Reviews sometimes review decent quality low budget televisions so might be worth quickly checking them out too. Again, there might be further issues to think about such as input lag, backlight issues (as 3D with glasses on requires often quite dark glasses on so you need a brighter set). I guess you also need an active 3D TV and not passive? Y'see, I bet you know a lot more about it than most of us do really.

Hi thanks for the reply as far as i know Nvidias only requirement is 120hz and obviously a capable card but TBH the first capable card was the 8800GT so lets face it anything made in the last 5 years should run it lol probably a GTX 660 would be my choice in Nvidia cards but that's for active 3D but i know a little hack to get passive 3D working with it too ive done it for a friend with one of the LG passive monitor as the tridef software's a bit pants lol and AMD HD3D it passive anyway something like a AMD 7870 if going the AMD route

Its all a bit confusing the manufacturer site says it is passive 3D capable ebuyer just have the HD3D ready/yes next to it but no real mention in the listing about this fetcher then no once has mentioned this in the reviews,
As you say at that price you cant complain TBH 3D is not massive on my list if its got it, it will be really nice but if it don't im not going to moan too much at £250 lol, on the scale of things i do like passive 3D better as the specks only cost a quid and active ones do give me a bit of a headake after a hour so if you watch a film at 1.5 hours i either have to have a 15 min break or feel shocking after lol were as wih passive im totally fine.

The TV its selt to me is a bit bargain just 3 year ago i paid 400 for a 32" 720p set lol (my mother decided to nick it 6 month ago for down stairs though) so treating my self to one for xmas ive never been one for bothering with big brands unless their the right price because TBH ive never seen much of an advantage to them lol most of them

It is an LED TV which TBH go very bright i have an LED monitor and when u put it on full next to a standard LCD you can clearly see the diff i have it on about 40% and its still very bright so if it works out to be 3D i think that will be fine

Ash

Edited by acpsd775 (Mon 26-Nov-12 03:58:18)

Cool mate, I suspected you knew a lot more than me. The only time I've seen 3D TV is in the shops. Yeah, I picked up a pair of passive 3D glasses in Poundland the other day. They only cost a quid funny enough. Might come in handy one day I thought.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Cool mate, I suspected you knew a lot more than me. The only time I've seen 3D TV is in the shops. Yeah, I picked up a pair of passive 3D glasses in Poundland the other day. They only cost a quid funny enough. Might come in handy one day I thought.

yea i got 3 pairs of those game them to my mate with the lg mon lol the box is almost identical to Nvidia 3D vision branding lol once i buy the TV (defo doing either ay at that price for spec) my m8s lending me his Nvidia GTX 660 Before i spend the money to test if it dont work with 3d im going to save 80 quid and get a GTX 550 i used o have one of those in my old pc and it maxed all my games but i know it would be too weak to max 3d lol were as the GTX 660 is more than capable should be in then ext 3 week got to get all the xmas prezzys paid for first lol so ill report back once ive purchased it and let you know

Ash

Yeah, it will be interesting to see how you get on. I'm using a 5870 and an old ccfl backlit Benq monitor. I know it will be upgrade time soon if FC3 is as good as it looks. Not sure about 3D gaming tho. Will have to see it in action first.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Yeah, it will be interesting to see how you get on. I'm using a 5870 and an old ccfl backlit Benq monitor. I know it will be upgrade time soon if FC3 is as good as it looks. Not sure about 3D gaming tho. Will have to see it in action first.

well just my luck i had money to get one this week thursday still 50+ instock friday sold out lol,

Ordered This will have to get a tv later i needed a new monitor either way my current ones on the blink but i cant belive my luck 2 weeks in stock the day i goto order sold out lol just like the google nexus 4 haha.

Ash

Yeah, the Nexus 4. What a farce, They sold out in less than half an hour didn't they? But they're back in stock now. Well, currently it's just the 16GB version.

Good luck with your monitor then. Those two comments on Amazon didn't look very inviting. Amazon are meant to be quite good in accepting returns though I hear so if the 3D doesn't work like one of the guys complains, you might still be okay. I expect it's just something he hasn't done himself just yet though. Bet it can be more than a little bit tricky sorting it all out.

The Nexus 4 is lovely by the way. Had a play with one and it's super fast and solidly built. Screen is very responsive to touch input too and call volume is good. Google are currently sending out orders so their estimate of 6/7 weeks delivery time might not be accurate. Only bad point other than the limited fixed storage is the claims the battery life isn't great. Hope they've fixed it with version 4.2 of Jelly Bean but that's something I need to look into myself.

FC3 runs well on my system actually in case you're interested. It doesn't seem to be too demanding though I have things on high rather than ultra. Will pump it up higher later when I get the chance.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Yeah, the Nexus 4. What a farce, They sold out in less than half an hour didn't they? But they're back in stock now. Well, currently it's just the 16GB version.

Good luck with your monitor then. Those two comments on Amazon didn't look very inviting. Amazon are meant to be quite good in accepting returns though I hear so if the 3D doesn't work like one of the guys complains, you might still be okay. I expect it's just something he hasn't done himself just yet though. Bet it can be more than a little bit tricky sorting it all out.

The Nexus 4 is lovely by the way. Had a play with one and it's super fast and solidly built. Screen is very responsive to touch input too and call volume is good. Google are currently sending out orders so their estimate of 6/7 weeks delivery time might not be accurate. Only bad point other than the limited fixed storage is the claims the battery life isn't great. Hope they've fixed it with version 4.2 of Jelly Bean but that's something I need to look into myself.

FC3 runs well on my system actually in case you're interested. It doesn't seem to be too demanding though I have things on high rather than ultra. Will pump it up higher later when I get the chance.

Yea i noticed the 16gig in stock but TBH still in contract dont wanna spend buckets on a phone but i do still want something good (halrd to find combo lol) and TBH i dont see the need for 16gig storage on my phone i only use the storage for apps and pics i take with the cam, my music is all on google play music so stream it all rather than use the phones storage so 8gig well more than enough,

I still need to sort a graphics card out lol that's got to wait till either next week or week after though got to get last xmas things bought and ive got a few bills next week, My mates going to fetch his GTX 660 over so i can try a few of my games in 3D (L4D2, WOW, sonic generations things like that lol)

Its as you say the person who put the comment on amazon most likely have not configed the software correctly my mate did not realize he had to use tridef with his LG passive 3D monitor and wounded why it did not work, till i told him & installed it for him and all was fine, He had a ATI card at the time but when he bought the Nvidia one i used a few hacked drivers to make Nvidia 3D vision work nattily with it by tricking it into thinking it was a diff brand monitor lol. Im not a fan of passive 3D though i like active better could of got a 23" passive for 120 quid but when i saw that Phillips at 200 for 27" active 3d (including a pair of specks that are most likely about 50 quid) i jumped on it as a bargain.

the only downfall i see if its 2xHDMI and 1x VGA i was hoping to trick Nvidia vision my self but Nvidia vision only works over Dual link DVI with active specks apparently, HDMI dose not have enough bandwidth to do 1080p at 120hz so shame there but i supose its not hard to remember to launch a game via tridef to play it in 3D lol

Ash

PS if you have steam add me acpsd775

Edited by acpsd775 (Sat 08-Dec-12 20:14:15)

Added you to Steam. I'm spooktooth on that (he says, checking).

I'm still playing a lot of Skyrim and no real online stuff just yet but I do have L4D2 (not played it yet tho!)

Interesting reading about your workarounds for getting 3D functional on different tellies. I remember soft-modding my old ATI 9800 pro to an XT via a BIOS flash. I've not done anything like that for a long while though. Nowadays, I just prefer to keep things as simple as possible and don't even overclock no more.

TFT Central and Anandtech have been useful resources for me in the past but I suspect you already know those two!

Yeah, that Phillips TV monitor thing looks like a good deal except for the lack of DVI as you say. It doesn't have a displayport then? I thought maybe things were moving in that direction nowadays? Hope you get it all working correctly over HDMI then. My next monitor's gonna hopefully be a 27"er too. Maybe with higher res and higher colour bit depth for photography tho. Depends on what there is out there that I can afford. Touch wood that my monitor lasts as it is. It's an expensive time of the year to be thinking about getting anything new.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Added you to Steam. I'm spooktooth on that (he says, checking).

I'm still playing a lot of Skyrim and no real online stuff just yet but I do have L4D2 (not played it yet tho!)

Interesting reading about your workarounds for getting 3D functional on different tellies. I remember soft-modding my old ATI 9800 pro to an XT via a BIOS flash. I've not done anything like that for a long while though. Nowadays, I just prefer to keep things as simple as possible and don't even overclock no more.

TFT Central and Anandtech have been useful resources for me in the past but I suspect you already know those two!

Yeah, that Phillips TV monitor thing looks like a good deal except for the lack of DVI as you say. It doesn't have a displayport then? I thought maybe things were moving in that direction nowadays? Hope you get it all working correctly over HDMI then. My next monitor's gonna hopefully be a 27"er too. Maybe with higher res and higher colour bit depth for photography tho. Depends on what there is out there that I can afford. Touch wood that my monitor lasts as it is. It's an expensive time of the year to be thinking about getting anything new.

confirmed you on steam. My friends a big fan of skyrim ive not personally been on it TBH if i remember correctly its a bit like a single player world of Warcraft isnt it? if it is i would most likely like it just always been a little too much out of my budget im not a hard core gamer and begrudge paying over £20 for them lol, wow being the exception.

Love L4D2 got 17gig of custom maps lol

I know about anandtech been on few times not seen other though at least not as i remember lol i visit loads of tech sites i lost half of them

TBH i can always use a HDMI to DVI dongle if i have to so not too bad lol, and yea there moving to display port now but your talking £450+ for a 27" with it lol i was kinda shopping on a budget 3D was not top of my list but it wa only about £40 more than the 2D i was looking at so i thought £40 for active 3D was worth it

Ash

Edited by acpsd775 (Sat 08-Dec-12 23:54:11)

Yeah mate. Sounds like a bit of bargain tbh. I also don't like paying too much for games. I've got Lego LoTR coming and only paid £17 for it so that's good value for me. I did pay £28 for FC3 but allow myself the odd indulgence if the game's rating particularly highly.

Skyrim is really good. You'd like it if you like WoW I guess (though I've not played WoW at all). My cousins who have played both enjoyed them equally. Skyrim isn't much of a graphical change from the much older (but just as good) Oblivion really. Lots of vids on Youtube plus loads of good free mods on Steam for Skyrim.

I used TFT Central when researching my own monitor as there were issues with its firmware and getting a proper 1:1 aspect ratio for Blu ray etc. I don't think they put much stuff up but have a useful explanation of some of the tech etc. Don't know if they're still that active to be fair. Might come in handy I thought.

When you get your new graphics card then I'll have to see what games we have in common as maybe we can do some co-op stuff. I have never done that except for online multiplayer with mates so that's something to try out one day I reckon.

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Yeah mate. Sounds like a bit of bargain tbh. I also don't like paying too much for games. I've got Lego LoTR coming and only paid £17 for it so that's good value for me. I did pay £28 for FC3 but allow myself the odd indulgence if the game's rating particularly highly.

Skyrim is really good. You'd like it if you like WoW I guess (though I've not played WoW at all). My cousins who have played both enjoyed them equally. Skyrim isn't much of a graphical change from the much older (but just as good) Oblivion really. Lots of vids on Youtube plus loads of good free mods on Steam for Skyrim.

I used TFT Central when researching my own monitor as there were issues with its firmware and getting a proper 1:1 aspect ratio for Blu ray etc. I don't think they put much stuff up but have a useful explanation of some of the tech etc. Don't know if they're still that active to be fair. Might come in handy I thought.

When you get your new graphics card then I'll have to see what games we have in common as maybe we can do some co-op stuff. I have never done that except for online multiplayer with mates so that's something to try out one day I reckon.

Just looked on steam skyrims still £35 not worth it for me lol might just log into mi mates steam and use his to give it a try lol.

If you look at my steam profile ull see all the games i have dont have that many TBH

As said hopefully get a new card in 2 week but might have to wait till xmas as i finish work next week so need to be careful with the penny again lol.

Ash

Yeah, some games on Steam are ridiculously expensive. I haven't bought any of the Skyrim DLC because it's priced too high.

Amazon have Oblivion and Skyrim. Oblivion is well worth a go if you have lots of time (it's the kind of game that really draws you in). Graphically, it's about the same as Skryrim I reckon so you won't feel the age too much. You get the main expansion packs too. It's probably best to wait till Skyrim includes the DLC too or gets a bit cheaper than the current £20 asking price. Still worth every penny in my view but as they say, your mileage may vary!

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Yeah, some games on Steam are ridiculously expensive. I haven't bought any of the Skyrim DLC because it's priced too high.

Amazon have Oblivion and Skyrim. Oblivion is well worth a go if you have lots of time (it's the kind of game that really draws you in). Graphically, it's about the same as Skryrim I reckon so you won't feel the age too much. You get the main expansion packs too. It's probably best to wait till Skyrim includes the DLC too or gets a bit cheaper than the current £20 asking price. Still worth every penny in my view but as they say, your mileage may vary!

Mates just given me his login details to have a go on his account will have to play it in low settings for now though at min ive got a ATI 4850 and there's no drivers for windows 8 now they've discontinued the 4xxx series, TBH its one of reasons im not a AMD fan there support never lasts that long ive got a nvidia 8400 that come out in 2006 that still has real up to date win 8 drivers yet the 4850 card that come out in 2009 is now dead to AMD lol,

TBH ill admit im not a offline game fan either all the games i get i hardly touch offline parts spend hours on online though. so it is best to give it a try before i even spend even £20 lol

Ash

Why don't you 2 get a room or something

You two timing dirty rat Spook........................

How [censored] dare you talk PC on these gaming forums

In reply to a post by time2die:

Why don't you 2 get a room or something

You two timing dirty rat Spook........................

How [censored] dare you talk PC on these gaming forums

lol

In reply to a post by time2die:

You two timing dirty rat Spook........................

LMFAO!

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

In reply to a post by time2die:

You two timing dirty rat Spook........................

LMFAO!

Never realised you guys loved me so much. Don't worry, I'll share some of the love with you again soon. But let's face it, PCs are so much sexier than consoles will ever be. So I'm (not) sorry for being such a two timer and can't promise I won't do it again.

PC Gaming >>>>console

Console.....PC Gaming

In reply to a post by acpsd775:

Hi just been looking for a new TV and although i was not looking at 3D specifically i cane across this TV on ebuyer cracking value it says its 120hz and in description says Available in HD 3D YES, dose that mean if i use a AMD 5xxx-7xxx card the TV would work with 3D (like Nvidia vision) or even be able to use with Nvidia 3D vision (i prefer Nvidia cards) im in the market for a new card and if this TV dose support it i might as well get a card that also supports it and use it for films/games just use a xbox control when wanting to play on TV loll, cant find much info about the TV on google so thanks for any help

Ash

EDIT

Seam to of found it after all after manually looking on there site via their menus Think this is it

It's possible, I have played games in 3d on my samsung 40" HDTVs (have two as monitors) with a 7970.

However, there are no TVs that accept a 120hz input at 1080p, they simply do frame interpolation on a 60hz input. You have to use iz3d drivers.

So, you either do:
1080p60 in Side by Side format, 60 frames per second for each eye but effectively half resolution for each eye.
1080p30 in AFR or AMD HD3D mode, this is frame packing and means you get full resolution but each eye only gets 30fps, ok for games like Civ5 but awful for anything with motion
720p60 in AFR/HD3D, which is good and 60fps per eye, but lower resolution and not a native resolution for decent TVs.

In short, get a monitor if you want to game in 3D because TVs are awful at it! There are some 60hz (per eye, 120hz total) options if if are willing to spend a fortune on a 3D projector setup.

The iz3D drivers are a bit clunky, and an addtional cost. Personally I'd go with nVidia for 3d so I wasn't having to deal with a 3rd party (iz3D also works with nVidia so you can have both options depending on the compatibility of a particular game).

Force Unleashed 2 was awesome in 3d tho!!

In reply to a post by nemeth782:

In reply to a post by acpsd775:

Hi just been looking for a new TV and although i was not looking at 3D specifically i cane across this TV on ebuyer cracking value it says its 120hz and in description says Available in HD 3D YES, dose that mean if i use a AMD 5xxx-7xxx card the TV would work with 3D (like Nvidia vision) or even be able to use with Nvidia 3D vision (i prefer Nvidia cards) im in the market for a new card and if this TV dose support it i might as well get a card that also supports it and use it for films/games just use a xbox control when wanting to play on TV loll, cant find much info about the TV on google so thanks for any help

Ash

EDIT

Seam to of found it after all after manually looking on there site via their menus Think this is it

It's possible, I have played games in 3d on my samsung 40" HDTVs (have two as monitors) with a 7970.

However, there are no TVs that accept a 120hz input at 1080p, they simply do frame interpolation on a 60hz input. You have to use iz3d drivers.

So, you either do:
1080p60 in Side by Side format, 60 frames per second for each eye but effectively half resolution for each eye.
1080p30 in AFR or AMD HD3D mode, this is frame packing and means you get full resolution but each eye only gets 30fps, ok for games like Civ5 but awful for anything with motion
720p60 in AFR/HD3D, which is good and 60fps per eye, but lower resolution and not a native resolution for decent TVs.

In short, get a monitor if you want to game in 3D because TVs are awful at it! There are some 60hz (per eye, 120hz total) options if if are willing to spend a fortune on a 3D projector setup.

The iz3D drivers are a bit clunky, and an addtional cost. Personally I'd go with nVidia for 3d so I wasn't having to deal with a 3rd party (iz3D also works with nVidia so you can have both options depending on the compatibility of a particular game).

Force Unleashed 2 was awesome in 3d tho!!

as said i ultimately did get a 3D monitor my usage for a TV was never primarily 3D gaming it was just a if its got it, it might be nice, But the TV has now been out of stock about 5 days and i needed a monitor asap as my current ones on the blink, i will wait till they get the TVs in stock again or look at diff model after xmas. i use my monitor as a tv at min so a 27" mon is still an improvement over a 22" one for watching tv on

Ash

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

So I'm (not) sorry for being such a two timer and can't promise I won't do it again.

There's a word for women like you......drink?

Yeah Jordan

Is Spook a woman???

Drink? Yes please. [he says in a gruff voice]

Edited by deleted (Wed 12-Dec-12 01:39:15)

In reply to a post by Lt_Swan:

Is Spook a woman???

Well, not since the last time I looked!

Nah. I'm still packing me doodahs down there so guess nothing's changed.

Might've been an interesting diversion though!

Yeah but you tend to do a little of THIS

In reply to a post by SPOOKish:

Drink? Yes please. [he says in a gruff voice]

Behave yourself and I might stretch to chicken in a basket love.

In reply to a post by time2die:

Yeah but you tend to do a little of THIS

Blimey! You appear to have had that link rather readily to hand?

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

In reply to a post by time2die:

Yeah but you tend to do a little of THIS

Blimey! You appear to have had that link rather readily to hand?

Haha. My thoughts exactly!

Great film though. That scene is ultra funny. Good song too.

Just came into my head so i did a little search on youtube for the clip.......Transexual Spooky

Nice to know you're thinking of me.

Not like that you sick pervy.