pc market comeback

whats interesting is the comeback of PC.

all microsoft games now seem to be dual platform, and they now started developing directx again as well, plus with plans to add xbox live to the PC.

The PS4 because of this will start to look isolated and 3rd party developers may be hesitant to do exclusives for it due to the market restriction.

Sales figures for the last 2 years show PC outselling other platforms, I think when the next gen consoles got released, the lack of BC made people reassess the cost of PC vs console gaming.

Also looking on steam, I brought a load of games last week that were released less than 18 months ago for under £5 including all DLC, no subscription service for online gaming and that steam succeeded where the consoles failed in been a dominant online sales platform. Not to mention the variety of games available, point and click adventure games, puzzle games, RPGs, platform etc and with been single player only focused unlike console where seems an obsession to add some kind of multiplayer. Not just FPS and sports with the occasional action game.

For those who dont follow steam here are some features that are been worked on currently.

Big screen - to emulate console experience on tv's. This is been for quite a while.
Streaming to internet, using steam client can stream to other steam users and/or watch other people's streams, doesnt need a 3rd party such as twitch to send/watch streams, all integrated, and can control resolution, bitrate etc.
Streaming to other devices in home, can do local network gaming, basically like a cloud service but only over the LAN.
Integrated modding of games via steamworks.
Cloud saves (again without subscription fee)

Steam is what microsoft tried to copy when they launched the xbox one but failed miserably.

PC's are already more powerful as well, but when DX12 starts been used by dev's it will be capable of destroying other platforms for performance and visuals.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sun 08-Feb-15 11:32:05)

The PS4 because of this will start to look isolated and 3rd party developers may be hesitant to do exclusives for it due to the market restriction.

You need to find a consistent position/opinion, otherwise it all sounds like copy and paste media hyperbole.

The other day you believed Sony had ditched all it's title exclusivity, with the sale of SOE. Do you believe they would do that in light of your claim above?

In other news, I will be considering a PC as soon as 4k TV's become realistically priced, purely for Project Cars and my new wheel set up. Unless of course the PS5 is out first with 4k capability.

But it will only be for Project Cars. I still prefer console for general gaming and exclusive titles.

there wont be a ps5, sony's future is cloud gaming by the time ps4 lifetime ends.

Their profit in consoles has been in the software side not hardware, they probably didnt want to even release the ps4 as it has now segmented their market and they would have had costs associated with releasing it.

In 10 years or so when ps4 is considered obselete, casual gamers will be playing sony games on cheap devices that can stream from sony's servers doing all the graphics processing.

exclusivity is the main thing that made me get so many games for the ps3/360 but thats nothing to do with experience but more so that the console vendors were bribing software publishers to be exclusive to their platform also I think 5 years ago steam was still maturing and many pc ports didnt have controller capability (no longer the case), whilst there is still some exclusives on the ps4 I am interested in, its only a handful. Square enix have already backed down on FF15, its now going to come to pc albeit it at a later date. This just leaves ff type0-hd and the new kingdom hearts game.

It seems I have no reason to even consider a xbox one, as all their exclusives like ryse son of rome (paid a fiver for it) are on steam.

I am not dishing the other platforms, they have their merits, and for some people it will remain their preferred choice, but just saying PC is making a good comeback. For years directx was abandoned by microsoft, they were only seeing the gaming future in their console, now they changed their opinion.

Also android has the same baseline in place as PC for success, it has a online digital distribution for all its software and the hardware is dynamic (not tied down to one spec).

Edited by Chrysalis (Sun 08-Feb-15 11:48:21)

Sorry, I still don't agree. But if 4k screens come down dramatically in price, I would head straight for PC for sim driving games. I'm sure the flight sim crowd are exactly the same and that's why it's not really seen on console. 4k monitors are not for me gaming wise. A 50" 4k telly is.

For normal gaming I'm not too bothered, but some of the 4k videos of Project Cars that are floating around are simply mind blowing. In the main I suspect because the development time is far less than that of story driven/motion capture games, so they can concentrate on the polish.

Rather than bribery, the main reason devs flock to consoles is because the market is easily measurable, without the aggravation of multiple optimisation.

Edited by mrnelster (Sun 08-Feb-15 12:51:20)

I have a 4k 55inch Sony Bravia.....point is there isn't any content on it,apparently Sky are rolling out 4k in the summer which they have bought forward as a direct response to BT.

Obviously it's subscription based and it's going to cost even more......

As for Driving Games then personally I couldn't care less if they were in 8k and they offer very little in gaming pleasure for me,even now I'm wandering why the hell I even reinvested in Drive Club again as I have absolutely no interest in putting it on and find the whole affair a tedious one at best.

Edited by time2die (Sun 08-Feb-15 14:08:04)

In 10 years or so when ps4 is considered obselete, casual gamers will be playing sony games on cheap devices that can stream from sony's servers doing all the graphics processing.

I can't see it lasting that long

I keep looking at building a new PC
Consoles are ok but I'm still a PC gamer at heart


And IMO the ps4 is [censored] rubbish and a big disappointment

Edited by deleted (Sun 08-Feb-15 18:52:17)

I am talking about been exclusive to one console. The only reason for that is cash payments or rather rebates on licensing fees.

since xbox one launch every game that has not been a exclusive to ps4 is also on the pc.

make no mistake, exclusivity to a segment of the market is only done when a financial incentive is given, this isnt just in games but in all markets, even dragons den mentions this. To give an example as well think of some recent games, assassins creed and a few other games the developers actually made a separate version for last gen consoles as they didnt want to lose that market.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sun 08-Feb-15 20:19:07)

Well sell it then and go back to PC Gaming as you won't be missed on my Playstation 4 Farmers don't generally play games anyway,normally got there hands around some udders at 5am.

I generally do the same but they only have 2 legs

Edited by time2die (Sun 08-Feb-15 20:46:31)

No,Swanny had is 10 days and he's bored .....I really don't get why you are constantly complaining about the Playstation 4,I agree it's taken a while to get some top notch games out and there is much to get excited about during the next few months .

Dying light is brilliant,the last of us is brilliant,GTA5 is brilliant ,Tomb Raider is brilliant,Infamous Second Son is Brilliant ,Drive club is [censored] [censored]

Edited by time2die (Sun 08-Feb-15 20:50:15)

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

It seems I have no reason to even consider a xbox one, as all their exclusives like ryse son of rome (paid a fiver for it) are on steam.

since xbox one launch every game that has not been a exclusive to ps4 is also on the pc.

Have I read this wrong? Or are you saying that all Xbox One exclusives are on PC too?

at least the ones I checked yes.

is funny as ryse son of rome was a xbox one exclusive according to reports, then as I was browsing steam it popped up.

the new fable game will also be on pc, and microsoft are saying all their new online games pc players will be able to play against xbox one gamers.

Not surprising considering that Microsoft make both XBOX and Windows

Eventually game streaming services will probably take over but I think there will be at least 1 more console generation before that. PC will remain hardcore gamer market IMO, PS4 and XBOX 3 (One - makes sense to someone I'm sure) will remain more popular. Really do not see PC becoming more popular than it is now. Most casual users will be using tablets most of the time.

Off the top of my head I can name three that aren't mate, Forza 5 and Horizon 2 along with Sunset Overdrive.
Pretty certain there are others too!!

As trance said, it's no surprise as MS has stated it's aim for a windows based ecosystem, across PC, xbox console, tablet etc.

I'm just curious as to why you included this in your original post:

"The PS4 because of this will start to look isolated and 3rd party developers may be hesitant to do exclusives for it due to the market restriction."

It's irrelevant, podcast blog style hyperbole. Wherever you heard it from, don't be their patsy.

Maybe so, but Project Cars offers 4k and it looks fantastic. You won't notice the difference anyway Magoo.

I wonder what Sandra's Bullocks will look like in 4k? That would be a perfectly good reason for a new telly right there!

This Dying Light just keeps getting better and better and those AI zombies have some serious moves.

Put it this way there isnt much Dumb Ai in this game,I've had them scaling tower blocks to rip me to shreds and eat my innards .

Some of the missions are as tough as old boots and Co/op is the way to go with a decent player��..Nelly you need not Apply

Edited by time2die (Mon 09-Feb-15 08:14:18)

Couldn't I just look after the van?

I watched your White van video the other night matey

I have a police combat rifle thats really sweet and takes out zombies with 1 headshot.

Edited by time2die (Mon 09-Feb-15 08:16:15)

Why don't the zombies just attack each other???

Why would Zombies attack each other Swanny ? They after human flesh and have no interest in each other .

Forza 5 is coming to pc post dx12 launch, not sure about the other one, thanks.

because thats my opinion.

The android ecosystem is across multiple devices.
The xbox live ecosystem will soon be across multiple devices.

Now sony do cross platform some games on vista as well, but until they get their cloud service launched it will be mainly limited to just ps4, hence the word isolation.

I cannot have an opinion?

interesting with this game even steamOS gets a dedicated version.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_CARS

Its a Driving game��..Enough Said

Why are you taking it so personally?

Of course you can have an opinion. But if it's regurgitated rather than considered, don't be surprised if somebody challenges it.

Sony have sold 18.5 million PS4's in just over a year. And that means to the end user, not shipped to retail as with the Xbox numbers (and that's not a dig at Xbox before anybody gets upset!). So you tell me why you believe they face market isolation, other than that you have read/heard it somewhere on the internet? It seems every story on the Internet is challenged with pointless "IF's" nowadays.

"If only me auntie had b****cks, she'd be me uncle!"

Pointless.

Seems an awful lot of speculation going on, it really makes no odds to me as I have all three main platforms but it makes no sense to me for Microsoft to port the Xbone exclusives to pc because less people would then buy the console IMO (what would be the point?) Maybe once the console version has just about stopped making money then yeah why not!

There are certain features of Window 10 that I'm looking forward too ie cross platform chat/play will be wicked!

Edited by jorkila (Mon 09-Feb-15 17:02:42)

Hey stop talking about my Auntie will Ya I didn't know you new here personally ....

And stop knocking the 2 mugs with Xbox ones on here,myself and Jorkila,literally been sitting there for the past 3 months and not had any reason to switch it on....

There is just nothing to play on it that's exclusive ....And don't say Forza Jorkila or Sunset overdrive ?

Apparently Xbox One has no exclusives anyway matey

In reply to a post by time2die:

And stop knocking the 2 mugs with Xbox ones on here,myself and Jorkila,literally been sitting there for the past 3 months and not had any reason to switch it on....

Not forgetting Jaxx and Giraffe!!

In reply to a post by time2die:

I have a 4k 55inch Sony Bravia.....point is there isn't any content on it,apparently Sky are rolling out 4k in the summer which they have bought forward as a direct response to BT.

Sky can't even do full 1080p HD at the moment so 4k from them will be interesting.

But that's true isn't it .

It certainly needs that Quantem Break exclusive by remedy that seems like it will release nearer next Christmas .

Yeah it's 1080i.......

In reply to a post by jorkila:

There are certain features of Window 10 that I'm looking forward too ie cross platform chat/play will be wicked!

As long as it is only Microsoft studio games I don't mind as they've already tried cross platfrom games in Shadowrun between PC and Xbox 360 users and the PC users destroyed them (hardly surprising due to the massive upgrade in precision that a mouse brings over joypad).

DX12 should give the XB1 a nice little boost as well.

(hardly surprising due to the massive upgrade in precision that a mouse brings over joypad).

Not really an issue for co-op though?

I would love for all of the platforms to support online cross play, but it's the exclusives that will always prevent it. We have PS/PC games such as War Thunder and (IIRC) Portal 2? I doubt we willl ever see PS4 and The Bone getting it on though. Shame really, but hey ho.

She's a proper goer your auntie. She can run a lot faster than me anyway.....

They are stupid enough to go after things that make noise, as they must make noise when moving they would be following each other round and round all day and night

Stupid pointless things

In reply to a post by mrnelster:

(hardly surprising due to the massive upgrade in precision that a mouse brings over joypad).

Not really an issue for co-op though?

I would love for all of the platforms to support online cross play, but it's the exclusives that will always prevent it. We have PS/PC games such as War Thunder and (IIRC) Portal 2? I doubt we willl ever see PS4 and The Bone getting it on though. Shame really, but hey ho.

No not an issue for co-op at all IMO as no one really cares if someone else has an advantage against the AI, People having an advantage against other people though in something like a FPS and there will be an uproar, Just look at the number of complaints when people use the lag compensation to their advantage in games it will be 100x worse if they know they are playing against people with keyboard and mouse.
I probably get 2 messages a month from people who say I must be using a mouse in BF4 and I don't I just have a higher sensitivity setting than most so it moves faster, nothing like using a mouse though.

I agree with you Sony and M$ will never join forces online they just would never agree on stuff, Sony for instance apparently don't want games companys to make use of dedicated servers as it would cost them more money and their networking would need a complete overhaul, M$ want all games on them and offer the Azure service for free, That's just something I read and not sure if it's true but it kinda makes sense as M$ have said they are available for free for games companys to use and at the E3 event to begin with they mentioned all games running on dedicated servers and pretty much the only games that do run on the dedicated servers are the M$ console exclusive ones. It's a shame they wont go cross platform but imagine if it did no one would be able to go into game chat the fan boys would be shouting at each other all the time.

Games brilliant and one of the best horror type games in years

I am not but you seem to be.

You seem to be bambling on about the ps4 in my pc thread, its as if you need to get out the PR.

I already said I respect people will disagree and have their reasons for using the PS4 or xboxone, but you still didnt accept it.

people will still buy xbox one's for purachasing habit's, a lot of people are not even aware of the changes going on in the PC market, plus there is probably still a lot of people who are used to using the xbox system and may prefer physical copies of games, adding to their xbox live achievments etc.

I think trying to sell consoles via exclusives is not a moral strategy, the merits of hardware shouldnt be decided by exclusives but for other things instead. Ultimately tho the money is made in the software not the hardware, the strategy I expect will be from microsoft's side to still have timed exclusives so the game will be delayed on PC.

Plan 1 was probably to sell the consoles and carry on how things went with the 360, but sales have been below expectations, and this reduces software sales due to a smaller market. Profits on steam games are lower for a few reasons (per copy sold) but the sales numbers are huge to make up for it.

Also I believe microsoft are planning to use xbox marketplace (via windows 10 app store?) to sell their games on windows vs using steam, they may also possibly attempt to charge pc gamers for online gaming via this as well. I say attempt as I think they will fail if they try such a stunt.

So its simple maths, more copies get sold if they pc+xbox1 vs just xbox1, and even more get sold if its pc+xbox1+xbox360, which is why last gen consoles havent died like some people hoped.

What I find strange is that some people think exclusives are a good thing, as if they been done a favour, exclusives are anti consumer as then the consumer has to make a choice between buying an expensive hardware just for that game or avoiding the game, it seems this time round much chose to avoid, hence the changes in the market. Square enix faced a massive backlash for trying to make ff15 console exclusive, they backed down. But their other 2 big 2 upcoming titles are still ps4 exclusive. The question is, is the payment from sony big enough to keep those exclusive, time will tell. If they stay ps4 exclusive the market size is around 20% of what it was when ff13 got released, so sales will potentially be devastating.

Remember the original business plan for xbox1.

Sales as strong as 360
Online digital market dominant in sales, as well as no second hand market.
Strong tv services.
Persistent online fees for netflix etc.

In terms of their business plan the xbox1 is a disaster.

Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 10-Feb-15 10:46:53)

You are taking it personally.

You seem to be bambling on about the ps4 in my pc thread, its as if you need to get out the PR.

Read my replies. I said I would like to buy a PC, as it offers the racing games I want in 4k. I am not a "fanboy"'. You just want to paint me as one.

You've gotten yourself all upset because you can't back up your claims, particularly the one about the PS4.

I am not upset, but I do find it amusing the way you acting in the thread.

Asking you for some evidence of your statements is not acting. It's ignoring the tingling in my bull**** detection system and giving you the opportunity to redeem yourself.

Round 4���������.Fight

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

I am not upset, but I do find it amusing the way you acting in the thread.

Yeah he only wants a Needle to go with that Thread and it would be a right Stitch up

why do you keep trolling?

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

why do you keep trolling?

Right, so you made it all up. Figures.

He's also a Trainspotter so I here .

What are you on about???

Dunno could it be a windup

Edited by time2die (Wed 11-Feb-15 21:49:29)

get over it, I didnt make any of it up.

Even if I did, why would it bother you?

So steam has no streaming service, no agressive sales, the pc isnt leading sales, and more big titles are not been released or it.

Sorry for my lies

I might ask mrsaffron to lock this thread due to the derailing.

whats interesting is the comeback of PC.

You don't post any stats to back this up, but I would wholeheartedly welcome that. As I have already said, Project Cars may in fact turn me into a PC gamer next year.

all microsoft games now seem to be dual platform

I dont know this to be the case. Can you provide details?

and they now started developing directx again as well, plus with plans to add xbox live to the PC.

I have read about apparent plans to integrate the two, though to what extent still remains to be seen I believe.

The PS4 because of this will start to look isolated and 3rd party developers may be hesitant to do exclusives for it due to the market restriction.

This is where your post loses credibility, particularly as it's phenomenal success to date is not difficult to prove.

Sales figures for the last 2 years show PC outselling other platforms

I'm sure you are right, but again, some sort of reference would be interesting.

I think when the next gen consoles got released, the lack of BC made people reassess the cost of PC vs console gaming.

Conjecture. We know that BC has been an annoyance for you from day one. Why do you believe it is a decisive factor in driving PS3/Xbox owners over to PC?

PC's are already more powerful as well, but when DX12 starts been used by dev's it will be capable of destroying other platforms for performance and visuals.

And finally, the giveaway!

I find it extraordinarily arrogant to post so much personal opinion as fact, proclaim people who recognise that to be "trolling" and then tell them to "get over it".

You can ask the moderation to lock the thread, or, seeing as I was good enough to read and reply to your posts, you could actually try to produce some factual arguments.

Because you seem to have wandered off, pretending you have been wronged and aren't prepared to participate anymore, here is a very simple set of numbers that cast doubt as to your reasoning why PC gaming numbers are on the increase. I doubt it has anything to do with the lack of BC or the fact Xbox exclusives might all come to PC.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2015/02/14/ps4-x...

I don't subscribe to the site, just a simple article that popped up on N4G. There's a shed load of similar numbers easily attainable through google and many of them from analytical business sites, not just the gaming press that you believe are all being bribed to disagree with you.

I believe gaming as a medium is on the rise, full stop. I believe that owning a PC is taken for granted by most of the internet commenting public and that those who are buying their first ever PC, are also likely to opt for their first gaming experience on it, for understandable financial reasons. In my opinion, that very simply explains the increase in PC gaming uptake. It doesn't have to have anything to do with any of your assertions, particularly when the combined console market is expanding at such a rapid rate (see link).

That is an unbiased, considered opinion. Yours wasn't.

I wondered off as I am not interesting in an argument that you wish to have. You seem to have got massively offended that I think something is better than the PS4. This is my own personal opinion and why I think some others have followed, thats it.

Take a chill pill man.