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This has been taken straight from the NeoGaf forums so don't quote me on it!!
Related info from a meeting we had yesterday was waiting for it to be approved before posting.
Price is currently $399.99 they were discussing a better CPU which would raise the price to $499.99 we were guaranteed the price will be no higher than $499.99 (He mentioned the CPU upgrade quite a bit almost as if they haven't really decided on a final spec could be a pricing issue.) also there is currently no plan for any type of trade in program for current PS4 users but that could change.
They stated that the GPU is twice as powerful as standard PS4 and much faster. They did not say exactly how fast but that is was running at a higher clock speed while being much smaller than the original.
It will have a 4k blu ray player and will upscale games that are not natively 4k.
Also there was talk of some sort of VR lounge for the media player app which is supposed to be getting a substantial upgrade.
It was stated plainly and with no room for interpretation that there are developers that already have development kits for the PS4K and that they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specs of the PS4K. It was also stated that these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance.
It was also made very clear that current games would not be getting any type of performance upgrades by being played on the system and any benefits to older games would come via patch per game and per developer. When asked if this was going to happen the response was "Its a possibility but doubtful with the exception of a handful of games."
We were also given a list of games that will be available at launch that will directly take advantage of the PS4K where the differences are and I will quote him "Significant."
For the PSVR
Eve Valkyrie
Robinson
GT Sport
For the PS4K
Deep Down (Thought this was dead)
GOW4 (This was the exact abbreviation on the sheet I can only assume its god of war 4)
There were more games on the list but these are the ones that stood out to me.
That's all I can remember off the top of my head I'll see if I can get any more information.
Edited to add:
I got a bit more information today but I am trying to find out who all knows about it before posting.
Also the word "Sacrifices" is being blown out of proportion. There are sacrifices made when making a console version of a game as compared to a PC game or when making an XB1 game as compared to a PS4 game. Don't expect PS4 games to all of a sudden become [censored] just expect them to run better on PS4K. I would expect a game that is really pushing the graphics envelope to run at 1080p 60fps on PS4K while the same game might run at 900p 60/30fps on PS4. Just the way I took it.
Edited by jorkila (Fri 01-Apr-16 11:25:20)
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wel existing games that drop framerate due to bad optimisation, saturating hardware, its pretty obvious they would improve, but that would be an admittance something isnt right currently.
So when they say no performance improvement, what they mean is things like FPS caps wont magically double e.g from 30fps to 60fps.
Doubled power GPU, games targeted at that spec, I would be very surprised if such games still ran ok on the normal ps4, there would have to be some kind of significant compromise made. Clearly this will annoy a lot of existing PS4 owners and to me it doesnt make sense for sony to do this unless under extreme pressure from developers. Although if the consoles are profitable to make and sell now unlike previous gen then that will given them a reason.
This is very different to how PC upgrades work, and as such there is a reason why one practice is acceptable and the other isnt.
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Won't annoy me at all, I'll just give the PS4 to the kids and buy a 4.5k. That should power the PSVR well enough, so as to make it a no brainer instead of the Rift or a Vive!
Given the extra power, I have no doubt the PSVR will be the go to VR experience. Plug and play, with dedicated development teams. I suspect that is exactly why Sony are doing this and it won't hurt the development of normal PS4 games. What's not to like?
Other than the price of course. 
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When can i preorder  .
Timey wants more Grunt and power any day.
For Sale.
Playstation 4/ 1 Terabyte ..........Offers 
Edited by time2die (Fri 01-Apr-16 16:26:04)
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Won't annoy me at all, I'll just give the PS4 to the kids and buy a 4.5k. That should power the PSVR well enough, so as to make it a no brainer instead of the Rift or a Vive!
Given the extra power, I have no doubt the PSVR will be the go to VR experience. Plug and play, with dedicated development teams. I suspect that is exactly why Sony are doing this and it won't hurt the development of normal PS4 games. What's not to like?
Other than the price of course.
Another reason is the rumoured Spec of the yet unreleased Nintendo NX that is suppose to be more powerful than the current Playstation 4........Only a Rumour .
That leaves just yourself and Me Nelly on the upgrade scene as you know Farmer Swanny will wait 2 years until the price is right .
Can someone please explain to Swanny how to revive and use medical facilities to help the poor players on his team ....... 
Edited by time2die (Fri 01-Apr-16 16:29:59)
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I expect it will be day one for me too!!
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My ps is [censored] so I have no chose but to upgrade. I bet it won't play ps4 games
I was reviving and helping out lots, if it was for me you wouldn't have made it 
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It was working last night and of course it will play Playstation 4 games as basically its still a playstation 4 but with higher specifications .
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A bit more yaddder, in video form this time.
https://youtu.be/4f1xmoz99tU
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Hope they do some special offers at game and CEX then,when the playstation 3 slim arrived on the scene i was astonished that i got a trade in price at the time from Game [hate them] of £210,so i only ended up paying about £40 for a new slim Playstation 3.
That price was because CEX were doing it and Game matched it,so i do hope these retailers do a trade in,or even Shopto.net.
I think it will be just after the Summer this 4.5 or 4K whatever they call it ?
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Yeah watched this about 5 days ago and got bored after 2 minutes
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When can i preorder . Coming this year apparently.
I won't say "in time for the holidays" because it makes Swanny grouchy.
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Yeah watched this about 5 days ago and got bored after 2 minutes That's not bad for you, probably a new record!!
Have you been working on your staying power? 
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Holidays are in the summer
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I'll trade my ps in
I won't be buying a 4k tele though.
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Then there is little point
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Its boring mate,have you watched it ? They spend more time larking about and its like a comedy show.
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Says Mr Magoo
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Had a 4k Tv for ages,problem is unless you subscribe to BT TV and a few football matches there isn't much in the way of 4K.
Netflix apparently has some 4K stuff but i think mainly on the Usa side and not so much UK based.
I dumped Netflix Months ago........I got Bored .....[again]
Have a Amazon Prime account and we don't watch any of that junk either,hate the menu and looking at films on Amazon Prime.
Swanny carry on with that back Chat and I'm leaving you to die next time on the ground,and thats pretty often in your case
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Says Mr Magoo
No Fact.......Playstation 4 touting 4K and you will buy one but not a 4K TV.....go figure
Bit like having a Mobile phone without a Sim Card.... 
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I'll trade my ps in
I won't be buying a 4k tele though. Nor me.
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I was in the dark zone on my own last night. They aren't friendly in there and I couldn't get out 
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Marko was with you
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I'll hold your hand tonight Swanny. Nobody should have to gargle on their spleen juice alone.
I should really rally the call "Nobody gets left behind!", but I know how much you hate Americanisms. So instead I'll just watch and try to resist the temptation to T-bag you in your hour of need.
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Marko was with you Marko as medic => T*left alone/(Nelly + Swanny) x (T*messing about with hats)*1000
[censored] it! It's easier to put him out of his misery. Now wheres my smart grenade...
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You're all heart
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You could even give him one of your huge collection of Bennie hats
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I probably have more
I was master reviver last night. Doctor Swanny to the rescue
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More like the 3 stooges
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well I suppose to those who dont mind throwing high amounts of money for this sort of thing wont be bothered.
Its clear we going to end up with 2 camps.
Those who expect the hardware to last 5+ years, and those with brand loyalty will pay up no matter the frequency of new hardware.
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you reward sony for your gimped console by buying a new one?
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2016-04-01-son...
Through all this, Sony has remained absolutely silent - a "we don't comment on rumours" stance that's not unusual for a platform holder, but which, in this specific case, represents a fairly momentous PR mistake. With the "PS4.5" being covered not just in specialist media but by mainstream outlets, Sony finds itself with a potentially hugely damaging story spreading like wildfire and mutating as it travels, which it has done precisely nothing to get out in front of. There is an increasingly widespread assumption that PS4 hardware sold now will be deeply inferior to what appears later this year, especially for PSVR; there's certainly disquiet among the almost 40 million people who have bought PS4s, many of whom now believe that their consoles will be outmoded only a year or two after purchase.
Sony needs to accelerate its communication plans and get out in front of the story to explain what's going on, why it's making these decisions and how it's going to guarantee a good experience for its existing 40 million PS4 customers.
Shocking treatment of its customers.
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Thats me then
I don't see why we have to expect to wait 5 years plus for a upgrade,you wouldn't be happy if you had a PC that you couldn't upgrade,besides lets face it Chrysalis a decent top of the range PC graphic card is as much as a brand new console.....Fact
I mean i have seen high end cards costing £500 so middle of the range is £200 to £300.
The problem starts with the development,i mean when they release or start production of new hardware,by the time it comes to market it is probably 2 years out of date from day 1,and then there is the price point which guides them on the specification of the console regarding raw power and grunt.......Do you remember the launch of the panasonic 3DO at £599 at launch which died literally a few months later.
I just wish they would do with consoles what they do with PCs.release a new basic model,then have options of higher spec at a slightly higher price.
I mean in this digital age and the way its going.why on earth would you release brand new next generation consoles with such small 500gig hard drives.
Edited by time2die (Sun 03-Apr-16 16:47:00)
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Don't have a lot of choice after 1 year mate now do you,i agree with what you say but standard fare for electrical goods and most other user products is 1 years Warranty .
Of course some electrical goods last decades,i have had things that have packed up after 1 week if not less,in fact my originally playstation 4 was faulty and returned less than a week later.
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you reward sony for your gimped console by buying a new one?
Come on man be fair,i have seen you playing your Jap RPG constantly on Playstation 4 night after night,you telling me you would give all that up if your playstation 4 packed up I very much doubt it and you would buy another one.
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Those who expect the hardware to last 5+ years, and those with brand loyalty will pay up no matter the frequency of new hardware. I don't have brand loyalty. I have controller preference and a huge Playstation friends list, so I'll likely never buy an Xbox (or another Nintendo). No mystery.
I would be angry if they stopped making games tor the PS4, of course I would. But that's just not going to happen short term. None of us are entitled to better performance. If you buy a sports car in January, then a model refresh comes almg in August with a much better spec, that's just life.
If they stopped making wheels for yours at the same time, that would be unacceptable. But technology moves on, it's the nature of the beast.
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There is clear differences tho mate.
The expectation is for consoles, one tier of hardware, lasts for a decent amount of time. All games developed are optimised for that console.
On the PC its the expectation over time you replace your hardware but its generally under your own terms, when amd and nvidia release new hardware, the games generally are still made for the lowest gpu's as thats where the money is, so if you keep your existing GPU games will work as well as they did previously, there is exceptions like when the next gen consoles got released but those are exceptions and not the norm. I am expecting my 970 to serve me well for at least 3 more years.
I am really hoping for my sake and sony's sake that this newer console is just adjustments to things like the bluray drive, hdmi spec and so forth to allow 4k video and bluray rather than some kind of rehaul to the GPU chip used by the games, because if its the latter I have a big problem with that unless I get given a damn good rebate price e.g. 75% of the cost of the 4.5. Unlike with PC's where one can predict when a new GPU is coming, this came pretty much out of the blue, there is still people buying these consoles now at full price. Not everyone was the same as you owning it from launch day.
I am very tempted to sell it, cut my losses and just go without the games that will be exclusive to the platform, thats how angry I feel. I really hope the press have got this wrong with their speculation and its nothing more than a minor upgrade.
You are wrong on the gpu timey as well, I think you have stood by these claims people make about pc gaming been something that is really expensive, it isnt. My 970 cost me circa £270 and my 760 which I sold I got more than half of that money back.
still circa 270 today http://www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-GeForce-Superclocked-Co...
Not to mention vendors like EVGA have their step up program where you get 100% rebate on upgrades, yes 100%, they will pay you brand new cost if you exchange older card for newer model.
This to me will potentially take away one of the big things that made console gaming attractive. Nelly's comments surprised me as well as he said he had budget constraints on his pc which I guess doesnt expand to sony kit buying a £400 new kit later this year.
So what happens if this super GPU is in the 4.5, and the games all run at like 20fps on the ps4, the media will all say its fine because they optimised for the 4.5?
Sega did this, they released a console they believed to be underpowered and thought "ok lets just release another one and hope we get it right this time, everyone will just buy it", well everyone didnt just buy it and sega nearly went broke.
It is commercial suicide, there is not a chance in hell they going to sell the same amount of these as ps4's so they will be left with a fragmented userbase of which the part who dont buy the newer 4k models are going to be left [censored] off.
Edited by Chrysalis (Sun 03-Apr-16 19:39:12)
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This to me will potentially take away one of the big things that made console gaming attractive. But what is more likely to happen is that game content won't live up to expectations on the new model. I still believe this is about helping developers reach the optional 120pfs on VR, rather than the minimum 60.
Nelly's comments surprised me as well as he said he had budget constraints on his pc which I guess doesnt expand to sony kit buying a £400 new kit later this year. I did, but when I became flush a few months later, I ordered a £350 GPU and still haven't sold my old one. Don't start this fanboy business again please. I was just beginning to empathise with you.
I won't necessarily jump on the 4k Playstation on day one. I might opt for a PSVR first. And if it doesn't upscale to 4k on my 1080p TV, I won't bother at all (although I can't imagine it won't).
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I imagine sales of todays ps will drop like a stone
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you reward sony for your gimped console by buying a new one?
Only because my friends all use the PS. For me playing games is mainly a social thing
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they will drop but not by much, because most people wont be aware of this news.
Of course once this new model is on the market they may drop like a stone depending on how big the differences are.
This is not easy to predict what will happen, if sony are changing the gpu, then there is going to be a PR hit its inevitable, the only question is how big that hit will be and if its something they can absorb in the longer run in the PS4's success.
If this was something that only affected the VR games would I be bothered? personally no, although I would have sympathy for those who brought a ps4 for VR purposes. The way to go is a bolt on addon, but ironically the media disagree with me there and are suggesting thats the worst thing to do.
I also wouldnt have an issue if the only change made to games was resolution so e.g. 1080p on ps 4.5 and 900p on ps4 providing draw distance, performance etc was the same.
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I notice in your signature you have Sky Fibre pro,so are you using there junk Sky Hub Router...........Ditched Sky this week and going back to BT for now and my own equipment .
I know you can use 3rd party routers like you said previously,but i can not be bothered with using a program to decipher my username/password and have informed Sky this is the reason I'm leaving,there wifi is incredibly poor and for me at least in its current state the worse performance on a wifi network ever.
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Im sure the majority of playstation 4 gamers will be well aware of the news matey regardless of frequent daily visits to gaming sites like myself and no doubt yourself,Nelly,Swanny,Jorkila and most other gamers.
I just wish they wouldn't keep us in the dark and tell us there true intentions so i can sell the mrs for 2 donkeys and a Goat and get the money ready
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I just wish they wouldn't keep us in the dark and tell us there true intentions so i can sell the mrs for 2 donkeys and a Goat and get the money ready wink Borrow the money, film the missus with the donkeys and the goat, and you could be quids in.
I know a farmer that might be interested...
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Does his name begin with a S by any chance
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Donkeys and chickens please
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Yep!
Lieutenant E Wer I Wer O Wer Dip
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I can make a chicken ride a bike....two bikes.
Well, technically it was a pigeon.
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Assuming this is not a April fools.... I really don't understand Sony making this move, they are doing great with the PS4 as is and it's far too early for essentially a new console. Going to [censored] off a lot of people.
If this is the way things are going then may as well go the PC route.
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Hello stranger!
I really don't understand why people should get [censored] off? Unless they stop making decent games for PS4 (not going to happen) then what is it they think they are entitled to? Is it like The Dog in the Manger, if they can't have it, nobody else should either? I really don't see the problem, or for that matter believe there will be a noticeable difference for gaming in reality.
But why shouldn't somebody like Magoo get the benefit from his 4k telly?
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Have you just come out the Nick or something not seen you on here for about 6 months .
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Excuse me..........Its Mr Magoo
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If these rumours are true this is essentially a PS5 being released 3 years after the PS4, I think many people will feel that is too early for a new console. If called the PS4 still it is making 2 different spec machines in the same generation, the best thing about consoles is that they are all the same aside from the HDD and physical size of the machine, this is changing that.
What makes much more sense to me is they stick to the formula of making a slimmed down version this year then release a PS5 2 years down the line with much better specs. Of course, Sony can do what ever they like and the consumer will then judge them.
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Haha
Just hardly been gaming aside from the ones I play with my daughter, like Minecraft and LBP.
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why would we need a slimmed down version with the same spec,i could understand a slim version of the original playstation 3 but not the 4 as its nice and compact as it is and doesn't need a design change unless it has better graphical power with the upgrade they are rumoured to be talking about.
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I don't think we need a slim version but it's what they seem to do, probably because it is cheaper for them to make.
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nope using the asus ac68 I think I told you on the sky forums, if not sorry.
When I ordered sky the sky hub turned up about 2 days before the migration date, I plugged it into my laptop to grab the auth data, so I had that ready to go when the migration date occurred, and my router has not had any problems at all using sky's auth system. Its actually more stable, as on previous isps plusnet and BT I used to get session drops maybe 3-4 times a month on average, and on sky they are very rare, maybe twice since I started using them late last year.
Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 05-Apr-16 11:16:46)
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agreed, I dont understand why people are not seeing it for what it really is. Games may initially work on both machines, but it will only be a matter of time before they start been exclusive on the newer machine.
Of course this comment is based on the speculation been true.
However neogaf is usually reliable, and devs talking about new dev kits are usually reliable as well.
I did wonder if sony would commit a suicidal move as they had this generation sown up, a newer gen console 2.5 years into cycle is probably just about the worst thing they could have done.
Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 05-Apr-16 11:21:21)
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by the way I have the original ps3 and it may surprise you its smaller than the ps4 its only bigger in one of the three dimensions. PS4 is bigger in the other two.
Slim models save the manufacturer costs, as they cheaper to make typically, but also the newer designs can be enough to persuade some people to buy them when they already own an older model. They also usually are more power efficient.
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Bit like the Nintendo Wii U then and the upcoming Nintendo NX,as Nelly said Technology does not stand still.
I was amazed to see just a couple a months ago the Samsung S7 advertised literally 8 months of the S6 Edge.
Yeah its not good that 2.5 years later we may have a console upgrade,and if what you say is correct and the better games are developed for the 4.5 opposed to the Playstation 4 then i kind of agree playstation 4 owners will be annoyed.
But i don't want to be stuck with console restrictions when i have the opportunity to upgrade to something twice as powerful.
How many times do we here PC Gamers complaining about consoles holding back PC development and getting shoddy ports.
Lets face it when released both the Xbox One and Playstation 4 were out of date already compared to what a mid range PC can achieve in terms of visuals graphics and resolution.
Personally i hope Nintendo NX really has more Grunt than whats on offer at present as thats only good news for gamers and slaps in the face of lazy developers that keep churning out games not fit for a Playstation 2,i would also love Sega to make a return on the console scene and really spice things up.
Edited by time2die (Tue 05-Apr-16 18:17:53)
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And a slim version will end up costing gamers just as much in reality as the playstation 4 costs at present,but nobody moans and groans and it has no more power than what they have at present.
If I'm spending another £300 i want something that gives me something new and exciting, something with a lot more power and not a slimmed down version of a console that looks fine in its present state but is basically identical to whats inside already.
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the out of date factor was sony and microsoft's fault not the consumers.
Although i cannot but help feel they are just providing for developers rather than the people buying the kit.
I feel developers (not just game developers) are getting more lazy as time moves on and I have seen developers work in strange ways such as "optimizing" last. By that I mean they wont code from the ground up for good light fast code, they only work on performance right at the end at which point its often too late and they can only do "hacks" to minimise pain.
In the gaming industry a good example of this is developers writing a technical demo to run on a few titan GPUs and then over the next few years working on the code to make it run on consoles. When what they should be doing instead is writing the code for those platforms from day one.
Nintendo have also [censored] me off yes, will I buy the NX? highly unlikely.
The last gen lasted 8 years and was fine.
Phones are different again because although there is new models every year, people dont usually update every year, and software is not restricted or just to run properly on new phones. Plus people get phones on package deals and are not paying out the sort of expense on all new accessories etc.
So in short
Regular upgrades are ok for phones
ok for pc
not ok for consoles
I am not a wealthy person, if I was I may not care, what 400 + 100 on accessories every couple of years right? and a big living space to fit all these consoles into. But thats not the case for me. Some parents eg. might have to take 3 years to save up for the console for the kid, they buy it and its already not the latest, ouch.
Your upgrade option is there in the form of a pc.
Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 05-Apr-16 17:53:30)
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I don't agree. If that was the spec of the PS5 I would be bitterly disappointed!
We'll see how much of the detail from the current rumours becomes reality, but one thing is for sure, Sony supports its consoles for a long time. Not to, would be a dramatic and damaging u-turn; to be brutally honest, it's unimaginable.
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with the slim its for those people who dont buy on day one, remember when these slim models come out is still millions of people not yet brought them, waiting for prices to drop, which they do on the slim models.
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I do think that it's poor from sony to bring an updated console to the market inside 3 years of the previous one, sadly none of us including myself will vote with our wallets!
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I will Says the guy that dumped his Xbox One then bought another
Edited by time2die (Tue 05-Apr-16 18:17:06)
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Why do they make consoles so big in the first place?
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To stop them melting.
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I do think that it's poor from sony to bring an updated console to the market inside 3 years of the previous one, sadly none of us including myself will vote with our wallets! I don't. I might be disappointed if I couldn't afford a new one, but how can that be a manufacturer's fault? Everybody is talking as if the PS4 is being superceded. That would be financial suicide and just isn't going to happen.
Internet mentality:
A) Consoles were underpowered at launch.
B) Consoles should be backward compatible.
C) Consoles should have the longest possible refresh cycle, measured in years.
Put yourself in a manufacturer's shoes. How do A, B and C correlate?
And why three years? Would four years be ok? If so, why? If not, why not?
Do you see what I'm getting at? 
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by the way I have the original ps3 and it may surprise you its smaller than the ps4 its only bigger in one of the three dimensions. PS4 is bigger in the other two. Interesting, but irrelevant.
"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."
The PS3 fat is much bigger than the PS4 by volume.
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How many times do we here PC Gamers complaining about consoles holding back PC development and getting shoddy ports. A good point, well made.
Have you bumped your head?
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Or blowing away......?
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So alot of your opinion is based on that you think these rumours are wrong and sony will do something more sensible, obviously i hope you correct.
In terms of spec changes a doubling of gpu power is massive tho, this would be far from a incremental update. usually gen upgrade's on amd and nvidia are lucky to be 50% never mind doubling of power. This sort of upgrade bump is like about 2-3 generations of gpu in one go.
If we look at things like cost of these chip's and heat omitted by the more powerful chips it is easy to say it doesnt make much sense, the ps4.5 would either be very expensive or sold at a loss, however amd have just got a new gpu technology which seems to have made massive gains in power efficiency, low power also means low heat, which then just leaves the cost, if microsoft are trying to shift themselves to the pc market which leaves amd with no revenue on future microsoft console sales, then it could be seen as a good strategy to invest heavily into their sony partnership, ultimately meaning a more favourable deal given to sony for these new chips.
Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 06-Apr-16 08:07:16)
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I do think that it's poor from sony to bring an updated console to the market inside 3 years of the previous one, sadly none of us including myself will vote with our wallets! I don't. I might be disappointed if I couldn't afford a new one, but how can that be a manufacturer's fault? Everybody is talking as if the PS4 is being superceded. That would be financial suicide and just isn't going to happen.
Internet mentality:
A) Consoles were underpowered at launch.
B) Consoles should be backward compatible.
C) Consoles should have the longest possible refresh cycle, measured in years.
Put yourself in a manufacturer's shoes. How do A, B and C correlate?
And why three years? Would four years be ok? If so, why? If not, why not?
Do you see what I'm getting at?
Painfully I mostly agree with what you are saying but there will be those that:
A) Cannot afford it.
B) Simply refuse to because it is out of the norm to release a new console so soon!
C) Last but not least, won't be allowed to because the enemy said no
Overall though this proves that these supposed next gen consoles were underpowered to begin with!
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Until you see what games can look like with developers such as Naughty Dog and Uncharted 4 which we all know will blow most of whats out at present completely out of the water.
I don't think the playstation 4 is that bad to be fair,it just depends on certain developers like Rockstar and Naughty Dog that seem to be way ahead of most other people in terms of games and presentation.
I mean just look at the quality from those two over the years,look how nice GTA5 looked on a ageing Playstation 3.
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I do think that it's poor from sony to bring an updated console to the market inside 3 years of the previous one, sadly none of us including myself will vote with our wallets! I don't. I might be disappointed if I couldn't afford a new one, but how can that be a manufacturer's fault? Everybody is talking as if the PS4 is being superceded. That would be financial suicide and just isn't going to happen.
Internet mentality:
A) Consoles were underpowered at launch.
B) Consoles should be backward compatible.
C) Consoles should have the longest possible refresh cycle, measured in years.
Put yourself in a manufacturer's shoes. How do A, B and C correlate?
And why three years? Would four years be ok? If so, why? If not, why not?
Do you see what I'm getting at?
Painfully I mostly agree with what you are saying but there will be those that:
A) Cannot afford it.
B) Simply refuse to because it is out of the norm to release a new console so soon!
C) Last but not least, won't be allowed to because the enemy said no
Overall though this proves that these supposed next gen consoles were underpowered to begin with!
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If your into games then you will beg,steel or borrow to upgrade if rumours about playstation 4.5 are true.
Don't forget its not going to be such a hit if you consider that more than likely places like Game [urrrh] and CEX will probably give you at least half the cost of upgrading back,especially if your keyed up and know whats on the horizon.
Personally i will watch the news extremely closely and if i was going down the trade in route i would trade my Playstation 4 in 2 weeks before the release of the upgrade,because you and me both know that a few million if not more will be doing the same and there will be a avalanche of trade in playstation 4s and that will drop the price of the trade ins.
Personally i think this is more to do with there yet unreleased VR and pressure from VR developers telling them with a little more power they could achieve so much more,i think there are a few restrictions developing VR that Sony did not take into consideration,at the end of the day they are not going to admit that,just my thoughts and everybody knows on here i won't be upgrading to play VR games,and if its announced that this is solely for VR based games and the normal games won't look any different then i will not be upgrading.
Edited by time2die (Wed 06-Apr-16 11:07:04)
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Just read some more discussions, those saying its a good thing never really adress the one fundamental issue.
Why is it ok for a £400 investment expected to last 5-8 years suddenly be only ok for 0-2 years instead?
They seem to be ignoring counter arguments.
e.g. the mobile market, the vast majority of people refresh mobile phones every 2-3 years because the telco subsides the phone and gives them interest free credit terms. There is very few people paying full whack for a PAYG new phone model every 12 months.
For sony to have something even remotely similar then a ps+ subscription woul dhave to give you the console fully inclusive in the price, with the console been refreshed every couple of years, I wonder how much sony like that idea when they the ones paying for the upgrades.
Pc market? I again /i already said why, but will refresh., PC market is already accepted as a dynamic market, there is no one single spec everyone uses, however because of this people know what they buying into when entering the PC market, the rules are not "suddenly" been changed. REasonable predictions can also be made when nvidia and AMD release new GPUs and in general cpu's can last 5-10 years with no upgrades, likewise ram, gpu's usually 2-4 years. Upgrading a PC is typically upgrading individual components rather than buying an entire new box, and purchasing all components again due to the non standards ben changed on new boxes. PC games, usually have a minimum spec that will work at reasonable performance on a 5 year old pc.
If we look at this current gen of consoles. So far they have been pretty bad on the games side, lots of remastered games, very few first party games with sony and microsoft both shutting down studios, many new games been usual annual rehashes like fifa and COD, occasional new IP's such as the division but definitely a disappointing generation, the vast majority of games that are on my PS4 list, have yet to be released and it wouldnt be surprising now if they were now been optimised for the ps4.5, which seems to already be the case with FF15. With square enix saying its at 20fps on the ps4 but not to worry it will be 30fps on the 4.5.
I look at my ps3 games library, and then at my ps4 games library, the ps4 pile is like a bungalow and ps3 like the eiffel tower.
The only people who seem to be happy about this seem to fall into one of the following categories.
1 - no regard to expenditure on console hardware, so going from paying £400 every 6 years to every 2 years is not an issue for the consumer.
2 - They are consumers that only play the latest releases, and even tend to trade in games when they get bored of them.
3 - They are developers.
4 - They work for the media.
5 - They work for sony.
Developers and the media have a very loud noise and its creating a somewhat distorted picture, but on the vast majority of forums I have read with consumers discussing, its clear there is going to be a lot of alienated people. This is not ok, and sony need to be made aware of that, it seems the only language they will understand is underwhelming sales after launch as that will hit their bottom line.
FF15 pre order is already cancelled. - This is very likely coming to PC anyway.
Kingdom hearts is undecided but currently i am about 60% cancel 40% not cancel
Disgea pre order cancelled - is out on PC as well anyway
Stopped playing PS4 Zesteria as this news is making me want to puke on my PS4.
Analysing sale values of PS4 on ebay, I think I need to move fast tho as they going to plummet in value when this gets confirmed.
ps. sorry for the typos, headache is making me rush posts more and not bother to proof read.
Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 06-Apr-16 11:34:58)
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If they fully support the standard PS4 and continue to bring out plenty of games which are properly optimized then I don't see it as a big deal. Could be as timey said that the upgrade is extra power for VR, that would make sense. Just seems better to me if they waited a few more years and released a new console with much higher specs rather than this mid cycle upgrade.
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I expect they been harassed by developers, developers that have no respect for the people having to buy new hardware but only care about making their game look nice and not having to do boring optimisation work.
To give you an idea how much sway developers have one only has to look at 2 failed products.
Microsoft phone's, no developer support = dead.
Wii-u - developers said is too weak, didnt make games for it = almost dead.
The other factor may be VR and sony wanting to use PS4's to sell 4k tv's.
I just see the whole thing as a massive disaster waiting to happen.
Windows 10 - microsoft are begging to developers giving them everything they want, as they know they are the key to success. Hence the rapid development model and integration of things like bash.
Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 06-Apr-16 11:44:25)
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Until you see what games can look like with developers such as Naughty Dog and Uncharted 4 which we all know will blow most of whats out at present completely out of the water.
I don't think the playstation 4 is that bad to be fair,it just depends on certain developers like Rockstar and Naughty Dog that seem to be way ahead of most other people in terms of games and presentation.
I mean just look at the quality from those two over the years,look how nice GTA5 looked on a ageing Playstation 3.
Completely agree with you, need to wait for some good developers to show us what the PS4 is capable of....which if we look at TLOU and GTA5 on PS3 then that should be a lot.
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At the moment it doesn't sound like a good idea but lets wait and see when concrete information comes out.
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If it is only to give more oomph for VR/4K and they fully support the PS4 moving forwards then they'll get away with it I guess but it's still all speculation really!
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Your last paragraph makes no sense considering you are complaining about this rumoured upgrade.........
Your words......
Analysing sale values of PS4 on ebay, I think I need to move fast tho as they going to plummet in value when this gets confirmed.
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Yeah lets not forget the classic The Last of Us ,How did i fail to mention that Gem of a game.
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we need to wait, but I dont like waiting.
It is amazing tho how many people think a 2x horsepower upgrade is not a major upgrade, its absolutely huge. There is some people who have gone the other way who said this would disappoint them as its only a doubling up of power. If sony did change to a 2 year refresh model then they will be gutted everytime, as a doubling up of power every 2 years is more than the historical average.
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move fast in selling it. Not upgrading it.
In a post launch era, resale values of ps4's will plummet.
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So you will sell your playstation 4 and not upgrade......Makes little to no sense ?
Why don't you just keep it because it would be total madness on Sony behalf if they didn't support what has literally sold millions.
If the rumours are true and lets say at E3 Sony confirm the 4.5 or 4K and a price point and release date,how many people in your opinion will upgrade on Day 1.
If its marketed as a VR upgrade and nothing else then who cares if your not into VR,but if Sony says that future game development and future games will be 4k ready on the appropriate hardware then i will care.
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I'd be amazed if the new interim Playstation will be 4k game ready seeing what it costs to be able to game in 4K on PC, even the top systems struggle with 4K right now!!
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Yeah that seems highly unlikely then...so most likely it is all about VR and 4k movie playback.
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yes I would sell it as future support for the console would be poor. New games would be optimised for the replacement model and probably eventually be exclusive.
Lots of ifs and buts here of course.
Also I can tell you now no game will be rendering at 4k on this new ps4, it needs insane hardware to do that. The 4k stuff is likely due to 4k capable output ports, upscaling and so forth.
Some people have said sony are simply reacting to microsoft and the NX, it would be a big fail if sony released a new console based on rumours and then microsoft actually does nothing sitting back watching the implosion that follows for the ps4 brand.
Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 06-Apr-16 19:06:55)
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Yeah that seems highly unlikely then...so most likely it is all about VR and 4k movie playback. I've said this so many times already, in other forum debates too.
The biggest market share for VR is, and for the foreseeable future will be, 360° video. Youtube already has Snoop Dog involved in promoting it. It's where VR will thrive outside of gaming.
The PS4k is not going to be powerful enough to render games in 4k. Upscale perhaps, but I firmly believe that this is simply to add enough ooomph to play 360° videos in 4k. If it does make regular ps4 games look better, the die hards will be miffed, but they are not entitled to be.
I'll be miffed as well if I can't afford one straight off the bat, but that's my problem!
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Yeah that seems highly unlikely then...so most likely it is all about VR and 4k movie playback. I've said this so many times already, in other forum debates too.
He did too
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Haha sorry if I'm repeating stuff you have said already I did skim through the thread yesterday but no way I will remember now!
If this is just a upgrade for VR then I don't think it's a big deal, if it makes a two tier system within a generation (for games) then I don't think that's a good idea and some people will be miffed. With that said, while I am interested in this discussion, for me personally it's not a big deal whatever this PS4k will be. I haven't even bought a current gen console yet as just not been gaming much or been excited by any of the games enough to make me want to upgrade.
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Haha sorry if I'm repeating stuff you have said already grin I did skim through the thread yesterday but no way I will remember now! Don't apologise, it wasn't meant in that way!
My point was that I have also mentioned this, in more than one other forum in fact and the misinformation is consistent across all of them. It's pretty much been announced what the PS4k is all about. However, the majority of the rumours are as to how PS4 games will suddenly start to suffer.
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where is the official announcement then? sony havent said anything.
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No i said it.......So basically thats cast in Stone
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ahhh
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