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As I mentioned earlier, it's not impossible that the new PS4 could incorporate a new generation CPU from AMD, if they really wanted to take on NVIDIA, strength in console numbers making it financially viable. But add that to the " 2 x GPU power" rumour too, and you really would have a recipe for upset from a significant corner of the gaming community.
I'd still buy in if my homies did though. Big up yourself Brum. Respect...
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Me buy a updated console.......No Brainer my friend and and Swanny requires my Playstation 4.
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I'd buy it tomorrow if it was in the shop
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You buy something Day 1,thats only because you have a dud,seriously these rumoured talk will more than likely be announced at E3 which is June Swanny ,and i can not see these released if they are confirmed until at least November.
You prepared to wait 6 months for a replacement,or are you going to buy all your content on digital,like Uncharted 4
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Yea I'll wait. I had a look at The Division digital and the robbing [censored] want £55 for it.
They can [censored] off I'm not paying that
I have a good gaming pc here I'll start using this 
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If you can find a bargain PC price for The Division, I'll join you.
Looks well nice on PC.
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You shouldn't be playing games  Waldo ?
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Sounds like a plan
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No, I know, spoilsport. 
Just so bored!
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I think this is a two fingers up from both vendors, a all win for AMD.
But the response from all three of you guys who will snap this up proves why these companies are doing this.
With the community split down the middle, I think the amount of sales will be way down on both xbox1 and ps4, but it will be high enough for both vendors to be willing to accept that.
Unless these are just minor upgraded slim models it will signal my exit from the console market. My gaming budget for £60 a game and £400 every 2 years on a new console (which has only maybe 3-4 games in that period for me to play) doesnt stretch that far.
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Swanny needs a Playstation 4 if you want to sell it i understand where you are coming from and nothing conclusive has been said by Sony regarding this upgrade as they don't answer to speculation or rumours.
Problem is why should we be stuck at a pacific level for 6/7 years when we have the opportunity to have a better spec with more grunt ,more power and better looking games.
Only a handful of games during a console life cycle truly amaze,and these are few and far between.
Edited by time2die (Sun 17-Apr-16 09:38:33)
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the reason to be stuck as you put it is to provide longevity to the console purchase, make it good value for money. What hasnt helped the situation is how slow games are been released now as well. The PS4 literally only started getting some momentum in the last 6 months or so, it takes 2-3 years for consoles to even start getting momentum, so they need say 5 years to get 2 years of good game releases.
Good hardware doesnt make a good game, good coding and creativity does.
You think the ps4 is inadequate now for good games?
To put things into perspective.
I got 3 years out my ps3 before it was replaced by ps4 in the market. I have 36 ps3 games. So work out the cost of my ps3 (£80 used + £50 accessories, cables etc.). Divide that by 36 games.
PS4 I owned for maybe 1 year? if ps4.5 coming this fall, and I have a whopping 5 games, wow. What value for money this console has been.
bloodbourne
dragon quest heroes
FF type 0 HD
The order
Disgea 5
This moves to 8 games, if I buy ff15, star ocean 5 and the next kingdom hearts game. All 3 still not released.
PC I have approx 300 steam games, + 5 blizzard games, and 14 physical copy games. Also almost forgot 8 origin games.
Edited by Chrysalis (Sun 17-Apr-16 20:24:35)
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...it takes 2-3 years for consoles to even start getting momentum, so they need say 5 years to get 2 years of good game releases.
Good hardware doesnt make a good game, good coding and creativity does. But don't you undermine your own argument there?
You get the best of the PS4's ability for the next two years while the new hardware awaits games, and so the cycle continues. I really think it's a storm in a T-cup, but even if you were correct, it's all about the choices we make. I've sold more PS4 games than you have ever owned. It's not a boutique industry, and I suspect your preference of game is just very limited here in the wild west.
As for the PS3, I bought mine at launch, so what's that, 7 years? Even though you cannot possibly argue that it wasn't supported amazingly well, it was way too long for me. Tech moves on and industry pretty much immediately follows if it doesn't want to be left behind. When I buy my next car, my old one doesn't go to the scrapyard. Somebody else buys it, enabling me to afford a down payment on a new one. And all the pattern part manufacturers make millions out of keeping them serviceable. If everybody kept tgem until they fell apart, the car industry would die on its ass and the only offering left would be a "People's Wagon."
It's a whole ecosystem and gaming is no different.
I can't afford to just go out and buy a new console tomorrow morning. I have to justify the expenditure, so this heads up that it's on the way is appreciated. I'd like to be an early adopter, but I won't lose any sleep if it takes me a few more months. I've got a PC that probably already has the new Playstation beat anyhow.
But if I can, I most definitely will. If you could pay £15 a month for the hardware, just like my phone contract, I'd be on it like a car bonnet, no question.
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So you have only had a Playstation 4 for 1 year,I've had mine for 2 and a half years,so your extremely late to the party already.
People change there mobile phones every 18 months for better and newer tech,so whats the issue.
Personally and i have mentioned this before,i think we should have a choice when a new console arrives,a standard edition and one with the extra stuff at another price point.
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we two different types of consumers.
You are perhaps one who buys something at day one, plays it for a bit and then sells it or trades it in.
I wait on new console releases for prices to come down etc and for enough games be ready for me to play, I keep my games forever as I like to repeat them again and again (if they good enough), if they not good enough to be replayed I still usually keep them for collecting purposes. The PS3 had a poor start in the east and west, and only did well in the second half of its lifetime. The PS4 was considered a success based on hardware sales but has suffered in a huge lack of game releases.
Now I understand your argument which is that there will be games released for the PS4 that are still in development now and perhaps 2-3 years into the future. So yes the amount of games I could own for the platform may be higher then what I have now, but I see no chance of it getting close to my PS3 count of games.
To me there has always been a clear line between console and pc.
Console - longevity, stable hardware spec for 5+ years.
PC - rapid movement of hardware spec, but stable software compatibility so games work across different generations of hardware.
So in that respect both types of gamers are accounted for, because if you dont want a old hardware spec, then buy a pc. The consoles seem to be moving into a sort of hybrid PC model but without the advantages of cheaper games, cheaper upgrades and stable software API.
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Look at the end of the day its about choice ,see i could say that being that you wait for a new console price to drop or join the party 18 months after the initial release that your not what i would call a avid true Gamer but one of the casual variety.
A true Gamer doesn't wait for price drops and buys the Console Day 1,I'm exactly what you wrote in your first 2 sentences not Nelly......
So with the Playstation 4.5 or 4K or whatever you want to call it,i will only buy it for one reason only,that Sony tells me its going to literally take me to another level and games will be absolutely amazing looking even 4K ready.
No if this is just a Gimmick for there virtual reality and it will make no difference to the look of playstation 4 games in general.......Then i won't touch it.
In my case it has to be beneficial to me,as i have no interest in virtual reality games and a contraption strapped to my head,so if this is to give there VR games a boost in performance and everything else stays the same,then again I'm not interested.
E3 is going to be interesting to say the least come June.
I personally think this is a general upgrade to counteract the release of the new Nintendo NX.
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A true Gamer doesn't wait for price drops and buys the Console Day 1
I think that's the definition of a consumer not a gamer.
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yeah that would be a great, pay the premium price for a console with no games
by the way we both agree on VR, its a gimmick as far as I am concerned. I am actually hoping this new ps4 is either just with additions for 4k bluray, hdmi or just an integrated VR chip, I would be ok with that.
Be careful what you wish for tho, we may end up with something like this.
xmas 2016 NX leading the race.
spring 2017 sony release ps 4.6 to regain lead.
summer 2017 xbox release xbox 1.6 to regain lead
fall 2017 nintendo release nx 1.5 to regain lead
spring 2018 sony release ps5 to regain lead
and so on
will your wallet take all that? if we about to enter an era where a hardware vendor finds it impossible to accept been last in the existing generation, and has to rapidly release something new it could kill the console market.
Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 19-Apr-16 03:56:32)
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Thats not a consumer Swanny its a fact
Your a causal gamer who buys stuff only generally when there is a price reduction and i don't
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by the way we both agree on VR, its a gimmick as far as I am concerned. You are both Ostriches.
will your wallet take all that? It's like a 6 birth caravan. He dropped it once and a family of Romanians moved in before the tow truck had a chance to recover it...
Swanny dropped fifty pence once. He bent down so fast to pick it up, it hit him on the back of the head!
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PS4 codnamed Neo spec apparently confirmed!
Dev kits being sent out to developers now!!
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Oh get you Sweetie Pie
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Spec doesn't look that impressive if you ask me,hardly a massive upgrade,the ram is exactly the same only slightly faster.
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Har har :/
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not impressive?
a 2.3x boost in gpu performance is massive, memory clock speeds actually dont have that much impact on performance anyway. When I went from my 760 to 970, the boost was about 2.5x and that was massive. (it only had 15% extra ram speed, which turned out to be not even 15% due to the vram issues).
If you want larger jumps in performance you not going to get it on bi annual releases.
Now we wait and see if there is a rebate program or sony decide to screw all the people who recently got a ps4 assuming it would last a while. Because it will now probably be deemed acceptable by developers to have dodgy framerates on the normal ps4 as long as its stable on the ps4k.
For sony I think this is a high risk move given they have the market lead, I can only think this is to help them sell 4k tv's and in turn 4k movies.
Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 19-Apr-16 18:52:14)
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haha, a quote from the neogaf thread, sort of sums it up.
The PS4 I own was just a Beta system
Seems I got 3 realistic options.
1 - keep what I got and play games in gimped mode. Also hope no new titles I want go exclusive to the higher model.
2 - Sell my ps4 and buy a ps4k, if I am to do this I probably need to sell NOW, because as soon as news is spread the value plummets.
3 - sell my ps4 after I beat the games I got for it and call it a day on consoles.
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Sounds like a significant upgrade then!
This bit is interesting though.
...there are no indications of any changes to the Blu-ray drive. This is surprising, as we would have assumed that Sony would take this opportunity to support the new UHD 4K movie standard, supporting standard 50GB discs along with 66GB and 100GB variants. For now it seems that developers are set to stick with 50GB of storage. I wonder if this is intended to ensure that developers produce games that the standard PS4 can play, and the "Neo" can upscale and boost? A bigger Blu ray disc might tempt bigger ultra texture packs etc.
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the new gpu has more horsepower than a 970 mate. not sure why timey thinks its a small upgrade
also if its polaris then generational differences will make the difference bigger than 2.3x the cpu might be a bottleneck tho.
Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 19-Apr-16 21:17:19)
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I won't double the power not a small percentage,i want the newer playstation 4.5 to put Nellys Metal Mickey to shame,saying that based on Nellies Specs my Sega Megadrive has more power  .
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it is double the power.
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Still no official word from Sony though is there,just other gaming journalism talking about certain things.
My guess it will only be announced at E3 and if true i expect this to be a typical November release which is about the same time as the VR if my mind serves me correctly.
I have had a 4K tv made from Sony here for the past 2 years,and was hoping Sky Q was going to launch with that service and it hasn't ,plus the negativity the system is getting with there stupid idea that they thought that this Sky Q would work with mini boxes on a WiFi connection beggars belief.
the new Sky Hub was the biggest piece of junk i have ever had the misfortune of using,and don't get me talking about the wifi capabilities of this Sky Hub...
I can not put it into words what a wifi performance drop i got from using my own equipment to the Sky Hub,anyway Sky broadband is now history and I'm back using 3rd party routers........Thats when they work that is,as i told Jorkila the other week ,my super duper Nighthawk packed up after 3 days, but when it was going it was awesome,i have a replacement here for the past 10 days and will connect this tomorrow.
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Is it ? i thought it was just a small % increase in power,same ram only a tad faster and a slightly better CPU.
To be fair i don't normally read Jorkila threads
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the gpu core count is 2.3x the size.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1209348
The vram needed no upgrade, it was way overspecced in the base ps4.
Edited by Chrysalis (Tue 19-Apr-16 23:00:55)
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Is it ? i thought it was just a small % increase in power,same ram only a tad faster and a slightly better CPU.
To be fair i don't normally read Jorkila threads Yes, it's a very substantial increase. Forgetting the questions about the CPU overclock, you won't know what's hit you graphically if it gets even close to the GTX 970. The visual fidelity will be another world compared to what you're used to with your current PS4 mate.
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I'm inclined to believe (just personal supposition as I haven't read it anywhere) that if AMD have really "teamed up" with Sony, and this really is Polaris infrastructure, that there will be little in the way of bottleneck. We've been repeatedly shown demos of Ashes for comple, touting an APU - GPU working in parallel on compute tasks. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine they've thought about bottle necking.
I've also read lots of comments on Neogaf about frame rates only getting locked to 30fps, as many games already struggle to reach 30 on the ps4. But that's down to developers, not hardware. Intensive games such as The Witcher 3 might be choppy, but Star Wars Battlefront was praised for being just about locked at 60fps (albeit at a lower resolution of 900p).
With this new spec. "Neo" I think the real issue will be developers implementing true scalability. If they don't, it's the Neo owners that will likely be complaining of under performance, not the current console owners.
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And then you say to yourself,how come Naughty Dog can produce such quality along with a few others on the current hardware when everybody else pumps out trash.
Well if its as good as you say mate and its reflected in games its for me Day 1 no hesitation .
Edited by time2die (Wed 20-Apr-16 08:52:59)
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The thing that will disappoint you is the fact there will be no PS4 Neo exclusives, unfortunately they will be made for PS4 then upscaled by the PS4 Neo!!
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Oh well it all means nothing until they actually reveal all,release date and price point will be interesting.
To me this is because the playstation 4 in its original form doesn't quite cut it in terms of VR,and they have upgraded there hardware to counteract this,and the fact that Nintendo will release another console later this year on par with or even better than the current Playstation 4.
Anyway 5 days and counting until Alienation.
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The thing that will disappoint you is the fact there will be no PS4 Neo exclusives, unfortunately they will be made for PS4 then upscaled by the PS4 Neo!!
They got to say that haven't they as that would probably alienate 30 million playstation 4 customers.
i don't believe for one minute that a game won't look and play better on the playstation 4.5 update.
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I thought I read somewhere that developers can add extra features for the Neo, but it has to be on the same base disc. But you're right, Sony plainly seem to be making sure that the only "gaming" advantage of the Neo, is upscaling to 4k.
That's spot on for Timey and his TV.
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I have read a statement that says something like this.
No extra gameplay elements on the ps4 neo. So this means no extra game modes, unique features/content etc.
Extra graphics quality allowed.
Higher framerates allowed.
Higher resolution allowed.
Games cannot be exclusive to the neo.
So in short its going to be like a game on a pc has multiple modes to choose from, the ps4 neo will have games set to higher modes in the graphics code. This I am sort of neutral on.
The framerate stability is a concern, in my view developers should aim for a solid steady framerate on both consoles but my fear is that they will only aim to do this on the neo model with the base model having juttery framerates.
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I wonder what they will want for the neo? I bet it's not worth it just for 4k
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Not without a 4k telly!
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Nelly
Don't tell me I'm the only one on here with a 4K television
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I don't need a 4k tele
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You will if the rumoured specs of the playstation 4.5 play games in 4K.
You better start ploughing more fields Swanny
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if they play games at 4k then the API must be extremely good. Even a gtx 980 TI cannot do 4k at decent framerates without SLI.
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well more in the way of upscaling then ,I'm sure whatever happens and gets released it will have to have some plus points for consumers willing to upgrade,like i said if this is purely VR related then I'm not interested in the slightest.
Sony would be a fool to do a upgrade on a 2.5 year old system just for the VR,when they don't even know how well it will sell.
To buy both your talking at least £700 to £800
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I won't be upgrading now that my ps is fixed
Will give it a test again tonight
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So you have done what ?
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Right underneath the eject button is a little rubber foot. It presses against the eject button. I pulled it out so that it can't press
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cA3_VKJ3-k
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The thing that will disappoint you is the fact there will be no PS4 Neo exclusives, unfortunately they will be made for PS4 then upscaled by the PS4 Neo!!
jorkila you really think this is a bad thing?
if sony didnt add these rules it would have been a massive PR implosion.
interesting video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6fo_bbnMzE
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It will be disappointing to those that shell out £400 expecting amazing exclusives!
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which will be a minority of people compared to the base ps4 owners.
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I doubt they'll be too dissappointed about Neo exclusives, if they get draw distance, AA and fidelity near GTX 970 levels. Imagine what Uncharted 4 would look like! 
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Uncharted don't need updating its already drop dead gorgeous have you seen the final trailer released yesterday.
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I wish I could get Uncharted 4 on my PC
I've only played one game so far :/
Edited by deleted (Tue 26-Apr-16 09:07:18)
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Doubt that very much
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dead link.
Yeah since it seems there will be no future architecture changes I suspect they will just now release 2-3 year refreshes and every 2 refreshes or so they will increase the base model dev's code for.
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There will be a Playstation 5 for sure,it only takes either Microsoft or Nintendo to release a better spec console for other to follow.
And the rumoured Nintendo NX specification already leap Sony Playstation 4 and will be on par with there Neo according to reports on the internet......
Only what i have read and they may just release another underwhelming underpowered console because Nintendo are as stubborn as they come and don't listen to gamers.
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I fixed the link in my post which was below Nellys
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