Normal civilised society, lol... What you saying is true to the degree that its based on a perfect world model, but guess what, the world isn't perfect, shock horror. Apologise if you lose sleep over that revelation. A normal civilised society goes on the principle of black and white, the world is very much grey.

My point entirely. And because it so grey we need laws and regulations to protect people AND companies. As pointed out to you, there are numerous costs and side effects to this type of action, and you seem to think the consumer is generally sympathetic.

You are right, it is the 21st century and not the 1980's. This is not the miner's strike and the whole country does not have sympathy with computer hackers. They were not helpfully pointing out the network's weak points and you don't know that the issues previously pointed out to them were ignored.

The expert opinion is that everybody's network is probably at similar risk. There have been many others in recent times and they do not get the same level of coverage. Having 70million customers doesn't make you more negligent than a company with 5million customers.

I have told you numerous times, I don't support large corporations full stop. I agree with any of the sentiment you have against Sony. But they don't run my life. I don't feel the need to chastise them any more than my bank or my insurance company. The only White knighting going on is you with your "hackers rule" routine. And those hackers inconvenienced me.

You don't use the PSN and so weren't inconvenienced. If you were you would be "peddling" a different story all together. As the experts said it could just as easily be steam next. But you probably think they are wrong too.
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Sony has broken European law by removing advertised features as a selling point. The court process has already begun although due to money & law and the time it will buy, it looks like it will take some time to complete.

Where ones dress and the risk of rape, Who said this and where are they coming from! This is a very very simplistic view and unrelated rant in reflection of current marches.

Edited by NilSatisOptimum (Mon 06-Jun-11 07:25:17)

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Sony has broken European law by removing advertised features as a selling point. The court process has already begun although due to money & law and the time it will buy, it looks like it will take some time to complete.

Where ones dress and the risk of rape, Who said this and where are they coming from! This is a very very simplistic view and unrelated rant in reflection of current marches.

I haven't got the faintest idea what your post is getting at, neither intellectually or grammatically.
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In reply to a post by FireFalcon:

Leak/theft/breach/compromised, etc no matter what you call it it means that information has entered the public domain that should have otherwise been kept secure.

I'll repeat it. A leak is an inside job. The others generally refer to external threats and/or attacks.

Theft is theft. The hackers are thieves. If hackers want the sympathy of the world, they should knock off organised criminals' bank accounts and donate the proceeds to victims of crime.

Using this analogy to inject some sentiment into the subject is quite abhorrent to me.

In reply to a post by NilSatisOptimum:

Using this analogy to inject some sentiment into the subject is quite abhorrent to me.

And your reply to the other post that thinks that some women are to blame is? If you read the whole post you might see the relevance.

It is a perfectly good analogy because there is no defence, whichever way you try to justify it. If you start with the opinion that people deserve what they get you will never see both sides of any argument. A pre requisite if you believe in any form of civilised society. The obvious point is that theft is theft and rape is rape. However you want to spin it.


The trouble with talking [censored], is when you get found out it's difficult to then talk your way out of it.
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Post deleted by Sadoldman

Edited by deleted (Mon 06-Jun-11 23:27:58)

Post deleted because you provided a link to a link of the source code I believe.

I have no issue with you stating your views but please do not use our forums to disseminate hacked source code.

To turn your very unpleasant analogy into something you can understand ... Sony put on a short skirt and bent over in front of a group of known rapists ...Now what's about to happen to Sony at the hands of those rapists will not be right but be sure its going to happen and at the end of it Sony will be the victim in your eyes . ( as they quite rightly are )

Could Sony have avoided what is about to happen at the hands of those rapists ? Sure they can .

So what im saying is don't be a victim like Sony

I'm sorry if the analogy offends you. It wasn't meant to, and it isn't offensive to refer to it. It is offensive to claim however that you don't like the analogy with reference to how many women "ask fir it" by changing their mind. I'm still awaiting the condemnation of that remark.

To turn your very unpleasant analogy into something you can understand ... Sony put on a short skirt and bent over in front of a group of known rapists ...Now what's about to happen to Sony at the hands of those rapists will not be right but be sure its going to happen and at the end of it Sony will be the victim in your eyes . ( as they quite rightly are )

Could Sony have avoided what is about to happen at the hands of those rapists ? Sure they can .

So what im saying is don't be a victim like Sony

I suggest you re read this. It's either self contradictory, or you have just alleged that girls that bend over in short skirts are asking for it. You'll probably claim that is not what you meant. Neither did I when I used the analogy, but that didn't quantify your response, which I by the way found offensive.